Carry on.

As much as Dick and Daniele annoy, the only other person in the house I want to see in the finals was Zack, albeit a windbag, he really ponied up at the end. I can't imagine if it was Jessica and Eric right now in the house, ugh gross, those two were the worst.

And Jen, I still think Jen is awesome...

I've let it sink in that one of the D's (most likely Dick) is going to win. I still couldn't bring myself to watch the Sunday show.

What the hell, some brief armchair analysis for the analysis thread... I was trying to think of the one point where each guest went wrong. As usual, the early exits were usually for some a personality trait problem while the later HGs had strategy problems:

• Carol: Didn't know how to play the game, didn't cozy up or campaign
• Joe: Stirred the pot too much for people to trust him
• Mike: Fell on his sword for someone who wouldn't (and shouldn't) have done same
• Nick: Told Daniele about his alliance
• Kail: Formed an alliance as a buffer too early before figuring out who she could really trust (and who could keep a secret)
• Dustin: Suggesting that he be put up on the block
• Jen: Putting up Joe (thus not securing Dick's exit)
• Amber: This one is hard... I'd say that she should have looked for other allies as soon as Dustin was gone (and Jameka had no power).
• Jessica: Not putting up the Donatos
• Eric: Ironically, he was too good at turning the house to do AP's bidding at his own detriment, especially the Dustin vote
• Jameka: Not playing for 5 HoH's and being terrible at competitions actually kept her around longer. She should have tried to form an alliance of some sort with Zach after Dustin was gone
• Zach: Easiest pick. I actually think he played near flawlessly except.. he should have taken out Daniele when he had the chance. He would have had an EASY time handling Dick, Eric and Jameka.

and just for the fun of it:

• Dick: Being a jerk too most of the HGs. Would have been gone if not for AP that he didn't know about
• Daniele: Should have tried to bond with more of the house guests to secure votes in case both she and dad didn't make final 2. I'm not sure she would beat anyone that's in the Jury house except perhaps Jen.

and...

• Everyone: for not breaking up every single pair (especially the one that wouldn't break on it's own) by the end of week 3.

As much as most people didn't seem to like many (or any) of the house guests, I'd love to see a reboot of the season without the AP and see how things would end up. My guess is someone like Zack, or perhaps even Jen or Eric would be around at the end. There's always next year (what we Cubs fans are used to saying, right Cub?).

I feel like maybe Mike would have made it to the end had it not been for the MRA and if he'd cozied up to whichever Donato made it the longest in the game. I agree that Eric would have been a formidable had it not been for the AP. As annoying as he was, he wasn't stupid and knew the game. If he'd been able to strategize without the millstone around his neck I think he and Jess would have made it pretty far. I don't think he'd have gotten into problem with Jen & Amber as it happened. Daniele might have gone pretty far if Dick or Nick wasn't there. She'd have been forced to socialize more and to rely more on herself. She might have still been a whiny bitch but she was pretty good at the competitions--good enough to get HoH & PoV when necessary.

Well tomorrow will be the end for one year.

I have watched BB for years since it started. I thought nothing could top Boogie`s terrible "win" last year. Well the Danatos topped
it. They have AP vote to thank for it all.

I just don`t get it. Putting people down, mean, obnoxious and this isn`t game to him. I think
it comes too easily for him. I am really surprised that he wasn`t called out by BB for his unacceptable behavior. And pouring
tea over someone`s head is assault in any court room.

I am sort of hoping out of the two that spoiled brat Daniele gets the $500,000. No doubt in my mind she won`t share with dad and
I think Dick would give her half.

Thanks for all the posts and posters.

See you next year when hopefully someone I want to win gets close cause it hasn`t happened in a few years.

Can you imagine if you called the police and said "This guy poured a glass of tea on my head & I want to press charges." It ain't gonna happen, no matter how much people hate Mr. Donato. It's just not.

Stamp stamp on that hab.

I can't wait until tonight to see the AP reveal. I just hope Jess doesn't get pissed at Eric. He may have already told her since they are not on cameras all the time. I doubt she would tell anyone.

I just wonder how they are going to keep people from heckling Amber at the finale. I know they give them signs to make it look like everyone has fans. Remember the Nerd Herd's fans. But how will they keep people from shouting things? I haven't been this excited since I can remember about the end of BB interviews.

Please let us NOT revisit TeaGate once again.

Sorry, gforce. It's just that Teagate & Cigarettegate gets me all riled up everytime someone posts something about it. I enjoy the website and comments even the ones I don't necessarily agree with. It's a sore spot with me. I get that people are sensitive so I'll drop it now.

what is the big deal every season with the wrap party? I swear every year the houseguests talk about it with this reverence, like there's gonna be fairies and unicorns and all this magical fantastical stuff. Or maybe they think talent managers will be scouting the event, looking for the next big movie star or something? I can't think off hand of any hamster that's been able to extend their 15 minutes of fame very successfully.

That being said, I wish they had feeds of this season's wrap party- sounds like it's gonna be iiiiiinteresting.

The Wrap Party! It's like the Emmys for famewhores, their last Hurrah! so to speak for most of them. I imagine they think there will be talent scouts and agents just waiting to swisk them off to places like America's Next Top Model or the Amazing Race!

I think they just like saying the words. Wrap party, wrap party, wrap party.

This post cracked me up! First you wondered what was the big deal with the wrap party. Then you admitted that you want to see it and it sounds interesting. Watching the feeds this season makes me yearn for some interesting too. From what I have heard, there is a bloopers real, a highlights real and they all get to see the real hg as themselves. It really does sound like fun to me!

Snort! Dustin just called Danielle the "Evil Spawn" in jury deliberations! Also gotta say that Eric is doing a good job as America's player. He was dealt a crappy hand and played it well- gotta give him some credit, albeit begrudgingly.

edited to add that I think they dumped a bucket-o-glitter on Chenbot right before she walked out. Sparkly overkill.

I agree that Eric did a great job as America's Player. I think he is the most deserving to get the grand prize. All houseguests at some time in the game were influenced by him. Actually, he determined vote outcomes during the game and even in the end. WOW!!

All the women at least on the jury were pretty glittered up too. I noticed at least Jen & Jameka had it on them too.

Call it Alzheimer's or whatever, but I've already forgotten who voted for Daniele besides Jen.

It seemed to me that no one besides Jen is still holding a grudge. And they all took the news of America's Player pretty well. They seemed amused by it mainly.

Jameka was Dani's other vote.

I'm actually shocked that Zach voted for Dick.

I was happy either way.

But Amber? Well, I held on to a tiny shread of sympathy for her because she is so very dim, but her questions? Eh, throw her to the mob of angry people she's offended. Let them finish her off. What a hateful bitch she is. And kudos to Dani for answering that question the best way she could have.

I was also surprised Zach voted for Dick. I thought he and Amber would vote for Daniele.

My two biggest "I can't believe you said that" moments were when Daniele said she and Dick had been having fun in the house and bonding or whatever for the last five days, which was so not true. Also, when Amber started yelling at Jen for "letting" Dick treat her that way. He treated everyone that way Amber and no one stood up to him. Except for Jameka and Zach (when it was kinda too late).

With DICK! winning, I'm hopeful we'll get more "older" people in the house, as opposed to nothing but shallow 20somethings. That would be nice, and probably more interesting.

No, it's true. They did spend the last few days bonding. What's that saying? The family that talks shit together sticks together. Or something.

I kid. But I do think there were fences mended with the two of them in the last day or two. Moreso than through most of the game, actually. They both did more laughing in the last two days than they probably have the whole time they were in the house. I enjoyed watching it, mostlly because their snark matched up with my snark and I apprecaite that kind of thing.

I agree about the mended fences, pvrunner. Their relationship has obviously been very brittle, no matter whose fault it was. Who knows if it will hold now that they are out of the house and able to fall into old patterns.

Me and Cub are proof of that saying PV!

I totally agree with the rest of your post to. The D's have been more entertaining than any final 2 I can remember. I hope it was genuine. This is a great time for them to start over.

As long as they have their memories of the other HGs and can sit around and insult them, they'll be fine together. I didn't get the impression that they have much other than that to talk about with each other, though.

And the same could be said for any other person that was ever in the BB house. The way I see it is that the BB house is a tiny little microcosm of society. People talk shit about other people they know. It's just what they do. I do it. Everyone I know does it. It's not really that bad of a thing.

I think it bares pointing out that they also discussed the fun parts of the summer as well. Which had them both laughing for quite some time. Yes, some of their fun parts or favorite parts involved crappy things about other houseguests, but so does mine if I think about it.

Magpie, did you see the beautiful discussion they were having last night? It was much more than snarking on houseguests. They have also been estranged for a while and it will probaly take them some time to find common ground, in my opinion. People can't just generally start talking about the mundane things that you or I would discuss with our loved ones, who we see everyday. I believe they just have to see if they can establish a different relationship outside of the house.

I understand the problem people have with Dick and Danielle. I have been in a situation similar to theirs and it's hard to come back from that without being defensive about everything the other person says.

The good thing is that they both seem to want to establish a new relationship and the better news is that the Grandmother and Son seem to want to genuinely help. Maybe now that they don't have to be on the camera 24/7 they will have a chance to speak more freely about issues that are deep rooted and difficult to deal with. I know I would never want to speak about any relationship good, bad or indifferent if I were on camera 24/7. Respectfully of course, this is just my opinion.

I haven't been this happy with BB since Jun won! WooHoo! I looked at all the other players there tonight, Zach & Eric were the only other players who deserved to be up there with Dick if it hadn't been Daniele, and I sure didn't want Eric to win. I was surprised how calmly they all took the AP but I have a feeling Jen wasn't finding it all that funny that America wanted her shirt ruined. I think Dani might have been just a little surprised that America voted Dick to win. For me this was a damn good BB.

Leave it to MrsG to find the one bright spot in a Dick win!
Excellent call, and hopefully true.

I guess I just kept seeing all the "Daniele is ignoring Dick and treating him like crap" stuff so I didn't know that. I also haven't had time to read the feeds the last few days. I suppose I should get all informed before I open my big fat mouth, eh? Well, so she wasn't disingenuous about something. Good for Daniele. I know I am not their biggest fan by a long shot but I do hope they can make it work. That would honestly be nice even though they're kind of horrible and I don't really like them very much.



Honestly, it seemed to me that Dick didn't want to give Eric his props for convincing everyone to save Dick's hiney but I'll be nice and chalk it up to shock.

Of all the hgs, Dick seemed to handle the AP twist the best...followed closely by Dani. Leave it to the Donato's to find the humor! I still say that they would be excellent recappers! Jess, Jam and Amber seemed truely shocked. Zach seemed to not understand the concept. Jen called us all childish. I called that one early! I said she reminded me of Yaps and just like Yaps, she insulted America. I know that there aren't many that agree, but I thought this was the best season ever!

Like others have said before me, I also thought that Dani and Dick did make great strides in their relationship over the past two days. The first couple days alone, we saw all the resentment of things past coming up. Then, they seemed to find closure. It was nice for me.

Oh, and Nick sure did look HOT!

I think someone is still trying to explain to Waamber what the twist was.

So am I right that the final votes revealed were 4 -2? I can't remember who cast the last vote, because I really don't care all that much, but I do wonder if America's vote tipped the scale.

Final vote was 5-2... Only Jen and Jameka voted for Danielle.

It was my opinion that Dick was quite happy to give Eric his props. He said that "here he thought it was some great strategy on his part," and laughed his ass off about it. I also think at that moment, he had just realized how much America loved him and was genuinely shocked and at a loss for words, which is a foreign concept for us I know (Dick being at a loss for words). I thought he was a gracious winner. And Dani a gracious runner up. They both just seemed so happy to get the hell out of there.

So, I have to tolerate Dick winning, AND have to watch Mike Muir cheering him on without so much as busting out a single "You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating Fruit Loops on your front porch?"

I'll use my bitterness to warm myself until next summer.

Honestly, out of those two the correct person won. And that's the best I can say about the outcome.

And can I just ask why Julie was trying so very, VERY hard to push Dick's mom into saying that CBS brought their family back together? They've been trying to cram that story down our throat all summer. Couldn't they just let it lie for one episode?

Oh my, what must Amber have thought when Eric turned to her and Dustin and said "I wanted to keep you...America made me vote you out" ?? And all this time she just knew she was Americas favorite! She truly did look dumbstruck ...but then again....she pretty much always looks that way....

And that? Was the BEST part of the finale. Considering I actually enjoyed the final 2 and the majority of the season? Nick's hotness still outranks everything else. Pretty impressive, pretty boy.

Ya' know....I thought maybe the passgae fo some time would make me view the evictees differently, and I might actually like some of them....WRONG!

They really are quite the same "in real life" as they were in the house....

Dustin smug, Amber stupid, Eric annoying, Jessica full of herself, Jen being Jen, Jameka the moral compass...and last, but not least....Zach...I think I'll miss him most of all.

I wonder what's been told to them about why they have not been on The Early Show and Housecalls.

One thing I really hope, is that someone sits Amber down, and tells her the truth, and ponies up all the articles, and tapes of the newscasts that have shown her for the biggoted anti-semite she is.

I'll have to admit, that final vote surprised me. I was very much of the opinion that Daniele had the game sewn up going into the broadcast tonight due to her being a challenge hog and the lesser of two evils, and that Dick would probably fall short on the jury vote, and this is the first season where my guess for the final vote was COMPLETELY off.

So what happened?

First of all, I think Daniele was planning to coast on charm. She knew her dad had been an ass, and she didn't fight to defend herself very hard in the jury questioning. Not only that, but her dad was very forthright in terms of what he did and how he did it. This was not a jury that was full of "I want a good person to win" types, this was a jury that was pissed off at both of them and was looking for strategy. Daniele did NOTHING to dissuade the jury of the opinion that Dick was the brains and she was the brawn (yes, even though she weighs like 85 pounds). In my opinion, it was her game to lose, and... she lost it. I don't think it would have taken all that much for her to try and persuade any of Zach, Dustin and Amber to vote for her (although Amber's question made me wonder, it was basically "My question is YOU'RE A WHORE.") Also, Zach, who I had assumed was a shoo-in for her, voted for Dick. But Amber, I think, was the key vote. Season 6's final vote between Vile and Viler basically came down to Howie, and whether Janelle or Rachel had more influence over him. Maggie won because Ivette told Rachel to go screw herself in the farewell message and paid for it with $450K and Rachel and Howie's votes. This season, it came down to the fact that Dustin appeared to have more influence over Amber than Jameka did in terms of the final vote, and I would have figured Amber would be voting self-righteously like Jameka.

Overall... Dick winning? Kind of gross, but he did play a good game and convinced the jury that he deserved it more than Daniele, who in my opinion was an exceptional player. I would have preferred to see her win, and think she was probably the superior player of the two, but she couldn't communicate that to the jury and therefore lost. Sadly, Dick is a more acceptable winner to me than any of those on the preceding three seasons (unlike Mike and Maggie, he's fully aware that he's an ass and revels in it, and Drew was just a lame user that coasted on charm.) I am shocked that Zach would have won the spite vote... I didn't know if the jurors actually respected him enough to want him to win. A 6-1 Zach win over Dick would have been an awesomely perverse end to the season, though, wouldn't it?

What do you mean? Boogie was old too!

Seriously though, I love that Dick won. And I love that Mike won last year. Maggie winning two years ago has almost faded from my memory thanks to the last two seasons - and that's a VERY GOOD thing!



So very true. It's posts like this that make me look forward to posts by Sardonic.

I can't help but be a cynic. Dani consistantly told DICK! that she would not split any prize money if she were to win. After she got trashed by the jury, she started cozying up to DICK! Then, on the show, she said that "we won." After 80 days of displaying a highly dysfunctional relationship, I have a tough time believing that Dani magically warmed up to her father for any reason other than to worm some money out of DICK!.

I might feel differently if I saw a lick of compassion from Dani. Other than St. Nick, I don't remember her saying one positive thing about any HG. Her comments about other HG's were all hate based. I have no doubt in my mond that if she were to have won, that she would not have given one cent to DICK!

I concur with Magpie. Until last night, the only time they bonded was over the bashing of other HG's. A few hours of father/daughter non-trashing conversation at the end of 3 hateful, bile-filled months does not, for one second, make me believe that Dani cares for anyone other than herself.

Normally, I would root for a reconciliation. With these two, I seriously could not care less.

Nick leaving was a turning point for me. Sure he had no game but who cares. I wanted the hotness just a bit longer. Yes it is shallow of me but that is my cross to bear. I could never forgive Eric for campaigning to get Nick out despite what America wanted. He just wanted Jessica to forget what a real man looks like so she in a state of lonliness and despair would look at him. That was also when I started hating Amber. I can't believe how righteous she was when she questioned Dani. Unbelievable.

For what it's worth, it appears that Real is re-running the live feeds again this year, starting right now. I just flipped them on, and saw Dick making pancakes, the large dinner table, and beds full of sleeping hammies! Good times!

Goodness--I asked in an earlier post who Erika was dating, then I saw Adam from Survivor Cook Islands in the audience last night. I just found out that they are dating. Damn that's weird.

Sorry about going off topic--but I was stunned to see him in the audience last night because why? Then I read somewhere else the reason he was there. It took me a minute to remember his name but he had a great smile and that's what made me notice he was there.

I'm slipping. Adam was in the top 5 and I didn't remember him at all. Well, it's defintely an upgrade from Booger.

Aaaaaand I'm now going to go give myself a warning for being off-topic.

Final analysis: 98% steaming pile of shit. 1.5% hysterical. 0.5% sexy/poignant/sad.

Trust me, I'm a scientist.

I thought that was Mike Muir over by Marcellus. I Love Suicidal Tendencies.

As far as Dick's reaction to AP.I think Dick really likes Eric as a person and respected his game play.When Julie was asking him about feeling grateful about Eric saving him I think he was thinking in terms of HOH. He said something about Jessica too. So I am not sure he realized what Julie was saying.I was also happy to hear Dani say that she felt like things had changed in their relationship. I really don't think it was about money. She knows Dick well enough to know she could get money even if she acts like a brat. So I still have hope for them.

Dicks interview on Cbs2 also proved something I had already thought. He said Jen started on him the first day about not wanting him to sleep in the same room. That would make a horrible impressions on anyone. He said she threw a fit and wanted him to move not caring where he slept. Why couldn't she move if she had a problem? I always thought she had to have done things before the feeds were shown. Almost all the houseguest hated her & I really feel like Dick couldn't have made them dislike her that much.

For me, the best part of the night was Jen's "Honestly" before she cast her vote.

**snort**

Yup, it was that bad....to me anyway. But I'm not a scientist. HauntedRain is though, so I agree with her estimations.

My read on Dick's reaction to AP was a combination of confused and initial anger. It didn't look like he was happy at all that someone/something may have had a roll in the game other than he and his big moves. I will say that I think that gave way, at least publicly, pretty quickly to a "who cares, I made it to the end" feeling.

The person who looked most confused by the whole AP twist was Amber who seemed, by appearance, to be even more dumbfounded than usual just over the idea that someone in the house had a secret agenda. I'm sure Jam will have to explain it to her multiple times. Dustin, at least initially, seemed cooler about it that I expected. I still wonder how Jess will feel when she starts to realize that she made decisions not because Eric thought they were best for the two of them but because Eric convinced her to do what was best in his role as AP.

Other thoughts from the show last night:

- Jen came off pretty well

- Nick is still a black hole of a personality

- Carol looked less than enthralled to be with her fellow castmates other than Kail and Jen

- Jessica looked lovely in her dress

- How funny was it to see Eric immediately go into panic/nervous/shifty eye mode while AP was revealed?

- Again, in the "How Funny" category, the show not even being over before Dani asks Chenbot if Chenbot's going to the WRAP PARTY. What is up with these people and their near religious excitement they exhibit over the wrap party?

Amber & Jen both suffered from Nick not wanting them, in fact Jen was so Nick crazy and acting like a 12 year old that it made me cringe to watch her. After Nick left, Jen seemed to have no game at all, not that she ever had any, but she had Nick game going. Amber has zero self-awareness and still doesn't have a clue that no one likes her, Jam must really not like her to have fed her that BS about her becoming a model for print ads, that was just one really mean lie to feed to Amber. Jam has some deep passive/aggressive issues. So for Jen to vote for Daniele, she must hate Dick more than I ever thought and she hated him from the start, before he ever did a thing. I think Jen is her own worse enemy. Of course had Nick liked Jen and Dani had been her friend, then Jen might have played a different game, but she is not use to functioning without being the center of attention, is my guess.

Jam really seemed to think that Oog hung around the BB house and would pick her out as special, as usual Oog likes to play tricks on overly smug and self-righteous hammies. Zach thought that good and will power would overcome Evel but in the end it's usual about how deviously you play the game, not how nice you are or how cleanly you play. Dustin is proof that being smug and not knowing crap about the game will get you sent out the door every time. Jess, one of the most wasted spaces ever taken up in BB, she was nothing but an annoying squeek and Eric's pawn.

I think Daniele thought she had a win, she thought against her dad she'd get the votes. She must be mad, but will play her game until she at least gets some money from dad, I doubt she can hold out too long without cutting him off again. She may grow up and see that while he's not great, he's not that bad as a dad either and maybe she can love him for him. But right now, I think Daniele has never seen past her own self-centeredness, she's still a little girl rebeling against the fact that her life wasn't what she dreamed it could be. Dick on the other hand, despite his need to appease Dani so she'll talk to him, will probably give Vincent a good education and start in life and Dick will enjoy some down time travelling and forgetting that his DaniSpawn is really the Evel one. I could be wrong about Dani, but I think she was in shock that America loved her Dad, not her, and she really didn't know how to react to that. Also she still seemed dazed about Nick being there and Chris not being there, I think she envisioned a world where she could have them both.

I thought that Danielle was a very gracious loser last night. She seemed genuinely happy with her 2nd place and even happier to be getting out of that house for good. I think over the last few days on the feeds we have seen a different Danielle than we had seen over the course of the season. She was still snarky and bitchy and whiny at times (who isn't) but more of a softer, lighter, happier side came through as well.

My favorite moment of the entire season was recapping the discussion Dick and Danielle had about her first words. And that conversation started because she asked her Dad to take her and Vincent skydiving when they got our of the house. It was beautiful.