I didn't watch the feeds the first few weeks. What was the "might white of you"comment about specifically? Directed to Jameka, for what? (Sorry if this was already discussed and answered!)

I'd be willing to bet my last donut this whole racist thing is something Dick concocted in his wee little brain. He knows there was some strife between Zach and Jameka and he knows firsthand Jameka's sensitivity over her portrayal in a racial context. What better way to mindfuck two birds with one stone? Leave it to Dick to go there.

But ... if Zach is uncomfortable with gay men how do you explain is friendship with Rage and the fact that he had a roomate for quite awhile who was gay? My impression of Zach has been that he is bi-sexual. Am I WAY off base?

Him being bi never crossed my mind, but I guess it's possible! I missed a lot of stuff about the show in the beginning.

True.

Dick knows there was some tension over Jameka's perception of something Zach did. They have resolved the issue, but Dick intends to exploit any potential weakness in the Zach/Jameka alliance. Just the insinuation that Zach may harbor those kinds of sentiments will be so inflammatory that it could easily throw both Zach and Jammm off their games.

Unfortunately, it's also the kind of thing that may follow Zach long after Dick's cruel mind games are over and I haven't seen a single shred of evidence that he did anything to deserve it.

Off base? No. He's intrigued, for sure, which is where I think the outward expression of homophobia comes from. I don't read him as genuinely detesting groups of folks. But who knows.

We also have to remember that the feeds were not shown the first week they were there. So who knows if he said it or not. There is no telling what came out of some of their mouths before they knew the feeds were up. Just look at what has been said while they know they are on.

Zach up in the HOH room is freaking me out. He was stretching out his hands and saying "Cut the blue wire" and talking to "Sweet" and waxing profound about "This is for all the little guys."

It may be my natural pessimism, but Zach is setting himself up for a big fall. Like Humpty Dumpty.

On the plus side, looks like he and Jam are strategizing about who to eliminate during Veto Comp. Unfortunately, Z wants to take out Dick, and not Dani.

I'm all nervous and scared.

It would explain his obsession with Nick.

I still don't see Zach as a bad guy. I don't see him outwardly disliking groups of people. I don't see him outwardly disliking anyone, even when they really deserve it.

I just see him as an awkward goober who fumbles his words and sometimes they sound worse than intended. Maybe I'm wrong. But he talks himself into a hole so often these days that I think it's a nervous pattern he has.

me, too! I am embarrassed to admit I get so hung up on this stuff, but I am! I just can't take another repulsive BB winner. Maggot, Booger, ugh, I need just one person to win for once who's not repulsive. Please!!!!!!!


Oh geez, just am hearing Zach Rabbit and Jamesus praying to OGG. Hope it works.

I'm really nervous, too. As soon as he mentioned not choking "this time," I was afraid. He needs to stop putting so much pressure on himself or he really will choke.

I hope he and Jammmm realize what's in store for them. I know Zach can ignore it and focus as long as the viciousness of the attack doesn't throw him completely off guard, but I don't know about Jammmm. But they aren't only focused on Dick. They want to take out Dick if the comp is physical and Daniele if it's mental. I concur.

He's Bi-curious!!!

*Whap! Bad Dobby*

Always an excellent start to a motivational speech.

Blame Amber.

Z & J need to remember that Dick excels under pressure. Remember the shot for shot croquet comp? He cleaned up and the pressure was on.

Thats a very powerful and scary characteristic of Dick. Dani gets flustered. I'd get rid of ED 1st before Dani, hands down in the finals.

Now that I read the recaps, that is exactly what Zach was pointing out. They settled on taking out Dick on physical, and focusing on Dani for questions. Unfortunately, Dani is a doublethreat, and can do the physical as well.

ETA - um, why did Zach say "Carrots." right before he flushed the toilet in the HOH bathroom? Or do I want to know?

I know Zach wore a Creighton shirt one day, but did he actually graduate from there?

Creighton is a Catholic university, specifically founded by the Jesuits. Believe me, they would be the first to claim that this magical thinking, emotional prayer, begging for God's interference in a Big Brother game is the opposite of what they would want one of their grads to project to the world. They stress logic and a firm grasp of reality. They wouldn't have much sympathy for either Jameka or Zach today, I'm afraid. They wouldn't mind hard playing but they do believe in rules.

From the various things that Zach has said about himself and religion, I kind of doubt that he minored in theology from that school. They would have knocked some of the zachiness out of him.

I don't know if he graduated from there, but he did say he went there.

awww, it's okay, ZachRabbit. I'm sure Sweets still luvs you.

Sigh. Figures. Oh well. Dick is going to stroke out soon.

Zach, would have been so much better off to have nominated only one Donato and Jameka - they wouldn't have been so all fired up and maybe they wouldn't have won the veto (who knows he might have pulled it off and taken Jameka off and put up the other Donato).... He decided to show his hand and his cajones either too late or too early - depending on your point of view....

I used ot want Zach and Dani final two.... not anymore (Zach's lost favor in my eyes...) I respected him after he stood up to Dick after Dick/Jen/cigarette gate but now he's just another disappointing HG.... Sigh (every year I hope that there is one I will like at the end of the game and I though it might be Zach.....) For now Zach's on my SH!t list like all of the other remaining house guests.

It wouldn't have made any difference who Zach nominated this time. The veto was everything and the Ds would have played just as hard.

I agree. At first I thought he should have put up one D and J to cover his betrayal (they way they view it) but it wouldn't matter. If he had won the veto and put up the second veto it would have been viewed as a betrayal as well. The D's would have fought just as hard for the veto even if only one of them were on the block. Zach did the best he could in the situation.

I even think it was right to get rid of Eric. Had he used the veto to save Eric, forcing Dani on the block, it would have been very likely that Eric and Jameka would have become a twosome. Either way he was in trouble.

The Donatos needed to be taken out a long time ago.

I agree, chrysana. And I know some disagree, but I think if Er-Ick had been left in the game, Zach would have been his target, not Dick. Er-Ick would have continued to try to toady up to Dick in spite of the vote against Jessica. And Er-Ick's unjustifiably massive ego would have demanded that he scapegoat Zach for Jessica's eviction so he could look like a big man. And Jammmmm would certainly have fallen right in line with that.

Zach was really getting on my nerves last night. He just did not know when to stop talking to Jameka. Him trying to get her to sway the jury house was so painfully obvious, and he was so awkward and freaking confusing when he was describing his gameplay.

I've gotten over my brief dislike, though, and the reason is because he is the obvious underdog here, and I will prefer anyone at this point to win over D and D. I also think Zach is afflicted with "verbal diarrhea". I can personally relate-I'm not a shy person, but put me in a situation with people that make me really uncomfortable, people that I really don't like, or people I think don't like me, and- I don't know how to describe it- I get kind of tongue tied and stuff does not come out the way I intend it to, it's just awkward. I think he does the same thing, and doesn't know how to stop.

When Zach talks about how great his game plays are to others, I think he is totally trying to convince himself of this, he doesn't sound arrogant to me at all. It's annoying, but I think he's incredibly insecure- he's alluded to being an outcast MANY times, not just in the house but in his life- not going to prom, not being able to get dates, saying he was going to win POV for all the underlings out there, etc. He's also self-deprecating, I remember him saying something to the effect of any america's choice could never be for him. I don't think he expects to be liked.

So all things considered, I think Zach's doing pretty well. I don't think he exagerates when he says he's had no one in the house to lean on or trust. That's a pretty difficult position to be in for such a long time, and he hasn't had a breakdown (yet). If he can JUST make final 2 I'll be happy, I don't care if he wins. Just to take away a speck of that smugness the Donatos have about having the game all locked up would be awesome.

I loved Zack's comment during the show. When he saw the pics of him & Jen as bunnies. He said "the bunnies" all cute. He loved that bunny suite.

I go back and forth so much I can't even keep it strait myself. I hope he makes f2 with DICK. Still want Dick to win, but I want bunny boy to get 50 g's.

I do think Zack is right about dodging the bullet & luck. The D's didn't keep him around out of friendship, they simply had bigger fish to fry.

Zach pulled their butts out of the fire, they pulled his out. I don't agree with the Ds' assessment that they carried Zach. He just zached his way right through the game, providing a vote when needed and no real threat.

Zach said it in the HOH room to Dani, he told her he played chess and ate by himself for most of the game because the rest of the house couldn't be bothered to talk to him. Zach played a very independent game. Perhaps he floated for awhile, but in this season that wasn't hard to do. There were lots of targets this year. He did step up his game when he needed to and won a couple of HOHs that he needed.

I agree with that. Zach, most obviously, carried them when he won that last PoV and didn't ensure Dani's eviction, which he very well could have done.

I'm glad Zach got the good edit tonight. I realized watching the show that it's not that I really like Zach, though he does some things I find really endearing, it's that I really hate the D's. DaniSpawn's attitude toward Zach was just so typical. I don't think she and her "dad" carried Zach. I think he was pretty right on with his asessment of the game. I know it won't happen, but it would be a redemption of the entire season if Zach came out on top and won the big money. Just to see the look on the D's faces. Go Zach! Do it for nerds everywhere!

I thought it was sweet when he was choking up reading the letter from home. I really do think he's holding up awfully well, I know I sure as hell wouldn't being in his position.

So is it just me? I'm failing to see what Zach hoped to accomplish by revealing to the other 3 that he's a ranked chess player. I don't think it would really register with Jam and the D's would never acknowledge that someone else may have had a game strategy other than themselves. Is Zach just trying to scramble and give his lack of game play some credibility? I'm all about a Zach win but I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed a few weeks ago. Jury votes may still be a toss up. The only thing for sure is that Waamber will do whatever Dustbin/Jam tell her to do.

I was so glad to see Zach get the kind edit last night and to finally see a little "reality" in the Donato edit.

I'll say it again, Zach's just a big socially inept goober! From slipping down the stairs after the HOH comp, his little celebratory Bunny dance in his HOH room, tearing up at the letter from home....I want a Zach/Dick F2 and then I want the jury to hand Zach the money.

lalalalalalalalala, I can't hear you.........staying in my happy place!!!

This really is OT but I just watched the new Halloween and I'm convinced Zach was playing the part of Michael Myers. They never showed his real face so I can't be sure. Seriously, what an oaf.

On Topic: But one that I want to win. He is my last hope at a thrill this season.

But if you recall at the beginning of the season, Dick would stand up for Zack whenever the LNC, and in particular Eric would say stuff about him. I remember quite a few times Dick would say to them, "well don't say that because you don't know that's true", when they were calling him a molester and a Baby effer etc. And everytime the LNC tried to put him up, Dick swayed them to put up someone else. I think at the beginning of the season Dick actually did feel, if not a friendship, a kinship with Zack.

Is it me or the more DD treat Zach like shit, the more I want him to kick their asses and win this thing? If this POV ceremony is especially brutal, I hope Jameka takes it all back to the jury house. OGG I hate them!

I don't believe for a minute that Dick feels any kind of kinship with Zach. If he did protect him, it was in his own (and therefore Dani's) best self interest. In my opinion, he has not shown any inclination to sincerely befriend anyone in that house other than as means to an end. Now, that isn't necessarily a bad thing in the context of this "game". But for them to tell him that they carried him all the way is fairly obnoxious, I think.

I don't think the D's carried Zach necessarily, but I do think Dick was more civil to him then any fo the other Hammies in the beginning. He did talk to him, and did defend him from the heinous things Eric/LNC were saying about him.
Daniele did talk to him to when no one else would....I remember the Wee Room talks with her, Nick and Zach.
That said...I wish, now that they are in the end game, they would just all be civil with each other....even if it does make a boring Showtime!

What is this book of his mother's in the HOH basket? When did that come up? Has anyone talked about it? I'm all flustered cuz I missed something that sounds important. She is, after all, my future mother-in-

nooo, I can't even go that far..

See, I think Zach did the right thing in not nominating Jameka. Sure, there was the risk of lighting a fire under the asses of the Donatos, but the ideal final three would be one of him, Jameka, and one of the Donatos, because Dick and Daniele would know facing Jameka would be suicide and would take Zach, and Jameka would honor her word and take Zach. Zach would have been guaranteed final two. And even with Jameka going, at least now he FINALLY has someone going to the jury to be an advocate for him. Even if the jurors don't like the Donatos, I don't think they'd really respect Zach. Eric, in particular, seriously underestimated him. If Zach does make final two, Jameka can argue on his behalf. We all know that Jameka could influence Amber quite easily, and that Jen probably would have voted for Zach if only because he's not Dick or Daniele. I feel like Zach at least is trying his very hardest to give himself the best possible odds to succeed in this game, even if they're not particularly good odds, because the jury might well think it's too little too late.

And I agree that Dick and Daniele were moderately less awful to Zach than most in the house, but that's not a huge accomplishment.

Any civility towards Zach was strictly game based. I do not believe for a second that either DICK! or Dani genuinely liked Zach. They were playing the game, and the second that Zach returned the favor, they turned on him like the jackasses they are.

I do remember that D-ick would defend Zach to the others, and on a personal level. D-ick has better social skills than his daughter, so if he was just acting, it was fairly believable. But I don't believe Dani ever liked Zach. Those weeks she hung around him all the time, she admitted she was just trying to pump info into his brain, and block the others from talking to him. That was totally fake.


Zachus puh-leeease win the next HOH!

Zach was amazing in that competition. He looked like a rock but after? Oy.

Video of Zach in pain.

With all of the hate Dick was spewing at him, Zach either kept his head down and in the game or laughed at Dick (which he has figured out pisses Dick off a LOT). Tough man is Zach. He doesn't seem affected by Dick's tirades but I know that's impossible. He must be. If he's gaming, he may be processing Dick like veteran MySpacer's handle the online flame wars, "Keep talk'n shit. You're make'n me famous!" It's a new way of war. If you can't hit them, demoralize them. The defense against that? Cognitive dissonance, deflection and redirection. Nice job, Zach.

I am so impressed by Zach's performance in that comp last night. He truly WAS the bunny!

I might be on a Zach-high right now but I think he might have a real chance at winning this whole thing regardless of which Donato he takes to the F2 (assuming he makes F2 of course).

Regardless of WHICH Donato he takes?? Surely, he would take DICK and not Daniele, right?

Oh, yeah...we're talking about ZACH here. Don't hedge your bets. He is a big dumb oaf, after all.

Thanks for the link, Ferfe. But I may have to hold you responsible for my new found crush on Zach.

*Looks around for Anders*

I'm not sure what it says about me that seeing Zach all broken down like that made me develop this new crush. After watching Zach endure the D-ick abuse and then give it right back has elevated Zach to Kaysar/Janey level for me in the "love that hamster" department.

Looking around at other boards, I see the tide of public opinion turning in Zach's favor as well.

Go Zach, you underbunny!

With this jury, the fact that he's NOT a Donato wipes out all of his supposed misdeeds and puts him ahead of the game. Plus, assuming he makes F2, the fact that he went up against both of them and won. My money's on Zachbunny.

RCToros even my staunch pro-Donato co-worker came in this morning saying she's now rooting for Zach to win it all.

Based on the comments from the Sequester house last night, it appears that no one wants EITHER Donato to win. I think Zach wins it all if he wins HOH, no matter who he takes.

Maybe, but Zach doesn't KNOW that about the jury, he only suspects. I should think he'd play it safe and take DICK, of the two.

Thanks for posting the clip, ferfe. I'm sorry I ever doubted you Zach Rabbit! I was really, really impressed. I didn't think he could take the D-ick ranting in light of everything else, but seeing him make those evil little smiles and laughing in D-ick's face almost had me peeing my pants. Hilarious.

I'm getting pretty smushed up in here, this Zach train is full!