I've never really felt that it was okay to be an asshole if you are knowledgeable about your assholishness and own up to your assholishness. I actually think it's worse, because it means that you willfully and maliciously make a conscious effort to be mean and cruel to people. I don't see how that is the least bit justifiable just because you own it.

I understand Dani has some really bad and annoying qualities that really irritate me. And, as much as I'm just incredulous that she is unaware of her assholiosity (yeah I'm totally making up words), the fact that someone may not know they are being an asshole does make it just a miniscule bit better, to me. I mean, it's not a good thing, but I think ignorant assholery is better than purposeful assholery.

Someone who gets off on being cruel, like Dick, is much worse to me.

I feel the same way about talking trash behind someone's back vs. screaming abuse in someone's face. It's just personal preference, but I think it's far more cruel to verbally abuse someone.

It's one of those YMMV type of things and the way different people deal with others in their lives. In the grand scheme, none of it's what I would call good. But, I just personally can't think of anything worse than purposeful in-your-face cruelty to those who simply don't deserve it. And, that's exactly what Dick does.

I didn't say it was justified. Just I like the fact he doesn't say "I am a good guy" but then acts like an ass. I am in no way condoning the way he has behaved. I was stating my opinion why I like him better than Dani.

He and Daniele really do have have the exact same self-righteous behaviou. They both think that any move they make is strategic but any move that is made against them is not strategic, it is always stupid and personal. They apparently fail to see that it is strategic ... for the other person. I didn't see all of yesterday's episode and I just finished it on the CBS site and there was a perfect example of what bothers me about the Donatos: Dick gets pissed that Zach isn't guaranteeing them final three and decides that Zach has gone back on his word and yet Dick and Daniele promised they would take Eric and Jessica to final four and backed out because it was "strategic". It doesn't really matter who was nominated and I think it was more that they took umbrage with Zach's speech but they still think that they are the only strategic players and everyone else is a backstabber.

Daniele may think she's a good person and she's not and Dick may admit he acts like a jerk but he also tries to justify why he does things and doesn't actually take responsibility for what he's been doing. He either says it's all for his daughter or he just decides that the other person is a worthless piece of crap for no real reason and berates and belittles them for fun. He may admit he's a jerk but he also tried to make himself seem less jerky by having some kind of justification.

I'm also not saying that getting Eric and Jessica out wasn't strategic but it doesn't make them any less of backstabbers. You can't promise things to people and take it back and it's okay but it's not okay for others to do it to you.

A crazy concept indeed! What is with these people, no one's managed to get this yet.

Both Ds were a disgrace even to their own kind last night, backtalking though his speech with identical sourpuss faces--classy.

I can't stand Dick and I am completely turned off by this season -- rewarding his abusive, pig-like behaviour is unbelieveable.

I hope, hope, hope, hope that Dick is eliminated at the final endurance comp. For me, the best scenario (out of a bad lot) is a Zach - Dani final 2.

What's funny is Dick preparing for the final endurance comp -- he's planning his sleeping habits, pocketing some medicine for some extra caffeine -- when I suspect that it's his nicotine habit that could do him in!

I can see him out in the back yard , very well rested and ALERT! (bwahaahahaha) standing on a platform that is swaying back and forth all the while holding on to some stupid object while rain/soap/gooey substance rains down upon him -- he'll be getting progressively nastier as his nicotine fit increases. His smokes will be taunting him from 5 feet away on the stripey couch.......it'll be hour 2 and he won't last - he'll leap off, grap a smoke and implore Dani to "hang in there! We gotta win!"....blah, blah, blah.....

He is *such* an ass...

Arrrrrgghhhhhhh....I hate this season.....

Is that really all that different from just about every other person that plays this game? Every year, it's the same thing. (How do you think that the Nerd Herd got rolling?) The only thing that is astounding about it is when someone *does not* act like that.

The only exception was the All-Star season, when people had already been there, done that, and experienced the aftermath.

Dick admits that he is an ass, but doesn't own up to how abusive he really is or the fact that he lies and cheats.

They all suck. D&D suck more. Dick sucks most.

I like Dick over Dani. They both have major issues...but don't we all. I think Dani has played a hell of a game. I think that if Dick wins, he will be more likely to share the wealth with her & Vince. If Dani wins, I can see her riding off with her money not to return until she is tapped out.

Everyone plays their own game, right or wrong, good or bad. I happen to love Dick and hopefully he will win it all.

Agreed, cracks me up that Dr. Will's self-righteousness was loved by many, but Boogie's was hated, Maggie's was hated, D&D's is hated...I guess it's all in the package and the chemistry.

Edited to hopefully have spelled chemistry correctly this time.

It's charisma.

Yes!
When Dr. Will was stabbing you in the back, he did it with a wink and a smile. When D-ick does it, you just want to make sure he doesn't spit on you while he's yelling.

Here's the difference:

Will would send someone out of the house and speak about them glowingly afterward (ie 'He's a class act' etc).

Dick sends people out of the house and still belches bile about them weeks later.

Self righteous behavior honestly doesn't bother me too much. You can probably look over my posts here on HT and see that I really don't say anything about self-righteousness or holier than thou-ness. It's one of those things that a lot of people really don't like, but just doesn't seem to bother me for whatever reason.

But, I will say this. Some people can be self-righteous and actually be right. Some people, like Dick, can be self-righteous and be completely wrong. And, then use that wrong self-righteousness to verbally abuse other people. It's the whole telling it like it is thing that Dick thinks he does. Really, he doesn't tell it like it is, he tells it like he thinks it is, and uses how he thinks it is to justify verbal abuse.

Will, on the other hand, didn't verbally abuse people even though he was a bit self-righteous when it came down to thinking he's smarter than everyone else. And, hey, like I said, self-righteousness doesn't bother me when it's right.

Will WAS smarter than everyone else. He was far more self-aware than Dick. There's just no comparison. Will may have driven some people nuts, but no one was ever afraid of him. The only hamster not afraid of Dick is Dani. Even Mike and Zach stepped back. There is an aura of extreme violence about Dick.

Ok, there's some bizarre kind of synchronicity going on in my world or something. I just came back to my desk from lecturing a BB-watching co-worker after she niaively referred to Dick as "the puppetmaster, just like Dr. Will".

Dick is no puppetmaster. Dick's a bully plain and simple.

I agree he is no Will.

People also compare Jen & Dani to Janelle, which I think is as laughable.

I don't remember Dr. Will being vicious like D-ick is. Dr. Will was arrogant and could be annoying, but I think his goal was to entertain us and make the game interesting. He did stuff "in good fun", not to truly cut people down and make them afraid of him (just my opinion). He didn't have this personal hatred for people that D-ick does. Dr. Will also took things well when the tide turned against him in All Stars, if I'm remembering correctly. I thought overall he took his nomination by Janelle pretty well.

I think Dr. Will is the only HG I believe when he says: "It's just a game".

ETA:
Aghh. I went OT again.
This will be fixed. Sorry again, mods.

D-ick thinks that he is the master game player that Dr. Will is. In D-ick's mind, they both dominated their game, even though they both had big targets on their backs playing with a strong partner. But what Dick will never see is that Will played a 100% social game. He managed to get all the HG's he evicted to give him the money willfully. Not because they have to pick between the lesser of 2 evils but because they knew they had been outplayed.

Thanks RC.

Don't forget this is the Dick thread, people, not the Will thread. Or the Janelle thread. Or the Jen thread...

Has anyone heard anything additional about the rumored penalty vote?

I would guess that it was just that .. a rumor. Otherwise, we would have heard more about it. Dick would have been ranting all over the feeds about it.

Well, what a surprise. DICK! is attacking Zach now, cursing and calling him names (see recaps thread for details). I hope the round of TRIVIA we're getting now is BB finally kicking his ass.

It originated on the CBS boards. That should explain everything.

I hate D-ick. I hate him. I hate him. Seething.......hatred.


Just turned on the feeds to see him completely going AWF on Zach, verbally berating him, telling him to "just wait until the live show motherf-er, just wait. Your parents and family and friends are gonna looove what I say about you". This is the 1st time I've forced myself to sit and watch a full "episode" on the feeds of D-ick going off on someone. Oh,
and once again being called a racist. and howdy doody- the teeth, methinks? Oh how I haaaaate Dickus. Zach just sitting there and taking it, looking down at the floor.

I'm realizing this is more of a recap. Sorry. But I HATE him! I feel bad for Zach's family, seeing him stuck in the house with this psychopath. Who else is kind of dreading this live show?

From cubkip in the recap thread, regarding DICK!'s latest blowup.



Since I have been the one who has written about it, let me amend my statement. DICK! will only attack those who he knows will not attack him back. If Zach were to get in his face and threaten to beat him senseless, DICK! would run like the yellow dog that he is.

I stand by the my original statements. He is a bully and a coward.

Zach got him pretty good with the DR door in phase one of the assault. But yeah - Dick in one of his rages is frightening. This one looks different. I've never seen him get physical like that before. Am I the only one who thinks something set him off and that this is not the usual ramp up to comp? I watched him before Veto and he wasn't this bad. He was hopped up but not physically abusive like this ...

Personally, I don't care what set him off .. something needs to be done about him. They should have never have let him stay in the game this long IMO. He should have been booted out long ago for the crap he's pulled. He's physical now .. alot of people have said that they saw no reason for him to be kicked out because he hadn't been physical .. well, he's gotten physical with Zach. He needs to be booted!

I don't know but it- honest to God I'm not being dramatic- scared the crap out of me. Maybe because like I wrote before, I've never sat through one of his tirades and this is the 1st time I've seen one over a period of time. When
D-ick went off on Eric and Jen in the past I'd literally mute the live feed and check back. If I were in that house I would've DOR'd a LOOONG time ago. But it was scary. And why is there trivia now? I'm nervous for Zach.

I don't have the live feed so I did not get a first person view but, how do you think CBS will handel this?

Any chance Dick goes home tonight and Jameka is safe?

Dick has done the let's make a deal threats before comps and votes but tonight seems above and beyond.

My guess is that they will give him a big wet smooch on his ass, and apologize for Zach's horrific behaviour.

Then they will buy him some more cigarettes.

IceMan it was really bad. Brutal. Zach looked scared to me, and tried to get in the diary room. D-ick was getting physical with him, right up in his face and wouldn't let Zach leave (and looked like Zach was really trying to escape).

He should be kicked out for this. I am SICK of all the shit he's skated through this season.

This is exactly the type of behavior that disturbs me so much, and I can't understand why nothing is ever done about it. The first time I saw it was when he went off on Jen, a week or so before the tea incident, and I found his verbal abuse to be so disturbing that I considered dropping the feeds right then and there. But, for some strange reason, I thought for sure something would be done about it...something had to be done about it, right? Well, no...nothing was done about it, and when I finally realized that nothing ever would be done about it, when Dustin was evicted, that's when I called it quits. No advertisers getting a penny, no watching the broadcast, and cancelling the feeds. Dick exhibits this behavior over and over again. Yes, it's abuse, it's scary, and while I'm not shocked that people in this world act like this, I am shocked that nothing has been done about it. It's insane to me that this continues to happen and is allowed.

Haaaaaaate.

That would not suprise me.

I wonder if CBS will ignore the whole incident tonight?

If past actions are an indication, BB will do nothing. Dick has never gotten right on another player before like this. He wasn't using his hands but you know in soccer where two players will push on each other with shoulders and chests for dominance (Cupkip's "scrum" only with two but can be many), that's what Dick was doing to Zach. He was pushing him to the wall, cornering him. Zach was trying to get away from Dick and not pushing back.

The rules do not apply to Dick. Read back to my recap around 4 am. Dick went out to smoke during a lock down. If they were setting up the competition apparatus he probably saw it. No rules where Dick is concerned.

Edited to add - yes. It is sickening to see him in full rage on someone like that. Really. Heart pounding fight or flight full on fear reaction and I'm just watching from a safe computer screen.

He got to go outside during a lockdown??? WTH?? This is beyond unfair to the other players and to us as viewers too. If I wanted to watch that kind of stuff, I'd be watching Jerry Springer!

At first I thought (and this is no excusing the behavior from my end I swear) that D-ick was just trying to scare the ever living shit out of Zach so he wouldn't perform well in the last HOH comp. But Ferfe I agree with you- D-ick looked like he was in a total rage about something. I don't get what could have happened. Zach has been kissing their butts trying to be nice, what could have set him off?

Zach is all but gone now if they don't kick D-ick out for this. His game is probably thrown and he's fearing for his physical safety, how's he supposed to concentrate on winning the comp now?

edited to add that I must be redundant once more and write how much I HATE D-ick. I HATE him. Poor Zach. I HATE HIM!
Ok, I'll stop.

I agree ferfe, this one seemed like he was reacting to something. The rest have been planned for the most part, but this one seemed like it wasn't premeditated.

Kudos to Zach for nailing him with the DR door.

Oh, someone upthread mentioned that Dick only went at people that couldn't/wouldn't come back at him. I think he learned his lesson with Nick. He tried to come at Nick once after that kerfluff in the HOH room with Zach & Jen. Nick got in his face and started screaming right back at him. Dick's response was to sit down and semi-calmly hash it out with Nick. So maybe that's the key. Be a really big muscular guy who could crush him like a bug.

http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/4880/t...s-.html?page=33

Link to Sucks, video of the incident...

Is it possible that Dick was told by the producers that he will be getting some kind of penalty for the mess with Vince's letter, and this is how he's responding? He figures he's going out and he might as well screw with Zach and try to get Zach to throw a punch, thereby getting him a penalty as well?

Just a thought.

Anything short of 1st degree murder (and even then they would probably hem and haw), the producers will not do a thing about the letter or his most recent attack on Zach.

CBS is DICK!'s bitch.

Zach is just another HG.

Looks that way, yeah.

So, they did NOTHING???

Looks that way, yeah.


The D's were not acting as if they'd gotten anything more than a"Cut the shit" talk'n to. And that's how it be in the BB House of horrors. Welcome to hellacious acres.


Steady. Steady. Have your ticket ready.

Got to hell ... after dark baby!

I feel that Dick probably asked pointed questions and received answers from the DR as to how far he can go with physical intimidation/altercation...step by step. They probably had to hire a DR lawyer to learn that Dick knows exactly what counts as assault. Can't wait for this season to be over and have the Donatos resume their dysfunction on their own time.

This endurance comp is going to interfere with Dicks spit.fart.belch schedule. If he goes too long he may explode out with all of them at once, right there on the bunny. There's gotta be some kinda law against doing unnatural things to a stuffed bunny on a reality TV show.

Heh. He'll jump off for a smoke.

Bunny competition? Coincidence?

I don't possess enough adjectives to give this guy the description he deserves.

He is particularly challenged by those who don't cower when he yells. OGG help them if they smile, then he ups the ante.

It's odd to me, he is the next lower level on a slippery slope of verbal violence that progressed from Jase (who gets House Calls, if you wonder if CBS endorses this) and Boogie (who gets a good edit, overall) and which led to him. However, other than the weirdo with the knife whom I can't remember, I don't recall anyone whose seeming capacity for rationality and kindness was so nominal and with whom the perception of the potential for violence seems so high. In a way, I feel like quite an asshole - as if by watching this show and buying the feeds, I have somehow endorsed this jerk. To me, those fantastic edits are CBS' endorsement of the behavior. Being allowed to go without a penalty vote when you break the rules endorses the behavior. Not warning a HG engaging in a physical act that another HG does not consent to is endorsing this (be it a cigarette burn, a slap at a hand, pushing up against someone, or slamming a door that hits them). The behavior sells. And I bought it.

So, Dick comes and goes, but who is next on the slippery slope of verbal violence and aggressive behavior?

I am going to have to think about this; I really love this board and I really like the notion of snooping on a house full of people. But, this level of aggression, the threat of physical violence implicit in the verbal aggression and hatefulness is, I think, too much for me. You know, this feeling of powerlessness over the machine is also awful to me. Knowing Dick's popularity continues to grow is awful to me.

You know what would have been funny? If DICK! tried to pull this crap with Jack in the house.

He could kill you with one finger, DICK! Boo!

I doubt that Jack would have bothered to lift a finger.

However, Jack knows people.

I'm just sayin'

ETA: Here is the Monty Python Killer Rabbit bit that eshanna referred to. I love that movie.

I'm going to reveal how much of a nerd I am. Ok, so you know Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Remember the part (it's been awhile since I've seen it) with the white rabbit that guards the cave that's actually like a demon rabbit or something, and kills everyone who tries to enter? I swear I keep having this recurring vision as I watch the feeds, that the white bunny going round and round will suddenly launch itself into midair and go straight for D-ick's exposed throat.

God that would be cool.


edited to say glad I'm not the only one!