In the beginning, I thought Erika was lying to Janey to get her to keep her. But, when she told Janey stuff, Janey told her stuff. Then Erika realized she was being played too. The reason I think this is because after the Janey/Erika talk, Erika got way more upset than she had been. She started acting like a real woman for once. She quit letting Boog beat her in pool...... In other words, I don't think she "found" the clue. I think her and Jaeny took turns hitting each other with it. It was like socker boppers with a clue.

Yup, what cubkip said ... well said.

As much as I want Janey to kick Will out tonight - for the sake of game - I will admit that I will miss the two of them together - when they aren't whispering they are adorable. But if it means getting Booger out next, the girls getting to F2, and Janey winning the show - then I'll probably miss Will a little less. Especially because of the satisfaction of his being played, which I think even he might admire.

Too bad she can't boot the Booger tonight tho ...

This will get me interested enough to watch the rest of the season! I'm so excited to hear this new development. To see Will kicked to the curb and the women grow some BRAINS and actually make a strategic move for themselves would salvage the season for me. Especially after watching Sunday's show (I am so bored with BB right now, I only got around to it last night). Seeing men use women is never pretty. It would also mean for me that Janie actually deserves the money.
Totally serves him right for never winning a competition, which this time could have kept him safe.

Do they tape goodbye messages today?

Is it too much to hope that BB can call Will to the DR when Janie wakes up to give her and Erika a minute together?

Then maybe call Janie to the DR when Will is done?

About 6 hours till the show. I hope to see Will sitting on the couch with Julie tonight.

Exactly what I was going to say! Booger tipped her off himself by totally ignoring her once she was useless to him and his plan.

I so hope she and Janelle end up in the final two. First I want to see the look on Boogsnot's face when Janelle evicts Will and then I want to see the look on his own face when he's thrown out too!!

They taped goodbye messages yesterday. Janie was concerned because she didn't leave one for Will-- but sometimes actions speak louder than words.

If Erica manages to convince Janie that will is a lying scumbag, I'll feel a little better about the way that Maggie played Evillette and Busto last year... I'm finding too many disturbing similarities between last year's crappy ending and the one we face if Booger and Doctor Evil go to the final two. C'mon Clue!

I hope that's enough time for Will to work some magic! Yeah, twists and turns are good, but the best twist is if Will somehow stays in the game tonight. I'm so not ready to see him go - especially this close to the end.

I look forward to seeing a different side of Will-- the losing side.

bttrcup you are a true fan. :)

For me, Will staying and winning is the predictable outcome. I want to be surprised and impressed. Janie and Erika booting CT will surprise and impress me. I bet it impresses the jury too!

I agree. I really do love Will and he's played an almost flawless game yet again, but him getting booted tonight will be one of only two major shockers* of the season (George nominating Howie being the other) and it will undeniably make for DOOG TV.

*A shocker, that is, to anyone who doesn't watch/follow the feeds and won't know it's coming.

I'm dying for Will to go home tonight. If Janelle couldn't win, I had hoped that it would be Will. However, with the way things are working, I'd kill to see Erika and Janelle in the final two.

And it would truly be beautiful to watch Booger meltdown when Will gets to steppin. Something that beautiful surely cannot be denied.

For me, this season, there is no bad ending. If Janelle and Erika kick out Will, yeah I'll think it's exciting. If Boogie wins the whole show, I'll think it's exciting to see the real true underdog in every single way, win All-Stars. But obviously my favorite scenario is Will wins again - it's just too perfect!

Season Two had an exciting ending!
Season Three had an interesting ending.
Season Four had a sucky ending. I lost interest and watched very little of the last half of the season.
Season Five was slightly better than the year before.
Season Six kept me interested until the end - but I hated the ending.

So yeah, for me seeing a repeat of Season Two would be extremely satisfying. And it may seem predictable, but the drama in the last twenty-four hours proves that nothing is really that predictable. Anything really can happen at any moment.

But no matter what happens, this season has been more interesting than any season except for Season Two – so there really is no bad way to end it.

I am past ready to see both Will and Boogie go. Wills "magic" is from the darkest hell hole deep in civilizations' basement. He completely gives me the creeps. Boogie is just mean slime hanging out and stinking up the place. I'm conflicted, though. The world needs the Will Kirby's and Mike Boogie's to pick off the weak and ailing. If it were Diane in Erika's place right now, I think more people would be rooting for Will and Boogie. She would have been deeply hurt and the she would have laid down and died. We are only liking Erika becuse she is fighting back. If she fails she ends up looking like a bitter woman who should have been old enough and wise enough to have known better.

One thing is certain, the women who date these two (if that miracle ever happens and it will because there are a LOT of unbelievably stupid people walking and talking in this world) can not say they didn't know what they were signing on to. It will be like that woman who accused Hunter S. Thompson of molesting her a few years back and the Judge threw the case out because -- seriously -- anyone who didn't know what Hunter S. Thompson was all about is TSTL.

I read somewhere that Janelle was allowed to tape a new goodbye message last night. Which more than anything makes me sure that she's on board with this plan.

And can I just say...gullible, played, whatever...I still have to love that Janelle was actually concerned about leaving a bad goodbye message and that she really does feel badly about lying to Will. Oh, Janie. You're so head and shoulder above him it's not even funny. I hope he feels like shit when this is all over.

I came into this season as a huge fan of Will's, and I loved the way he played this season, right up until Erika's HoH. He lost it then, and turned to absolute cruelty, in my opinion. And I couldn't be more thrilled that Janelle may be the one to cast the lone vote to boot his ass.

I think my dislike of Will's gameplay comes from the flirting and the teasing and the "aw don't we make such a cute couple" crap. I don't care that he's manipulated everyone in the house (other than the idiots let him do it). I care that he played the showmance card when he supposidly has a relationship outside the house that he cares about. It wouldn't even be so bad if he wasn't acting like Janie is trying to ruin his relationship with Erin when it's clear he initiated most of it.

Did Janie open herself up for this manipulation? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean I won't be thrilled if she flips it on him and sends his butt packing.

What I would really love is for Janey and Erika to run off to the storage room after Will gets to steppin and do a little dance, which will be accompanied by the CT music on the taped show.

I've been disappointed so many times before with girl alliances that fell through-- I'll be crushed if this one doesn't make it.



The thing about the manipulation by showmance is that it was unnecessary for the purposes of the game. Janey was open to Will as a friend, and susceptible to his manipulation if he simply framed it in a way that made sense to her. The showmance part of it is purely for Will's own ego gratification, and his puerile desire to "make a good show". It's not just sociopathic, it's idiotic.

What I would love to see is a post-eviction Janelle/Erika "phone call" from the DR. Now THAT would be hilarious.

I thought about that too. And you know Janelle knows about the phonecalls, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. If nothing else, I think we'll at least see one giggly duo DR from them. I'm telling you, the feeds are going to be pure gold with Boogie stuck in the house with one woman he fucked over and another who's always been repulsed by him. I'm also looking forward to some Erika/Janelle girltalk. Who wants to bet we start hearing what some of the whispering was about?

I cannot get over how excited I am for tonight. To see Will lose! How did it get to this point?

I agree Cami - the "showmance" is more about Will and Boogie's ego gratification than anything to do with true strategy. It's very juvenile - like something I remember guys doing in high school. Get a girl to fall in love and then break-up as soon as they get something they wanted, complete with trashing the girl to everyone who will listen. I haven't really run in to it since High School or a year or two after graduating from high school and I find it beyond strange that grown adult men engage in this behavior. In Boogie's case, it's obvious he has a really deep-seated hate/distrust of women. I kinda doubt anyone women in boogie's life will equal up to his Mommy. For Will, maybe it has been about playing up to his BB image of a master manipulator. Manipulating Janey, arguably the greatest physical competitor in BB history, certainly one of the most feared, and very much the sexiest BB contestant of the last two years, has to be something that Will first saw as a challange and has used to the best advantage that he can within the game.

The thing I find hard to fathom is that they think people outside of the house will think they are cool for doing what they've been doing. I guess L.A. is different but I just don't know all that many men, at least grown adult men, who think what Boogie or Will is doing is all that funny or cool. I'm not even going to get into women because I'm convinced almost no woman anywhere would condone what these two have been doing. Maybe they can claim it was all for the game but, boogie especially, has gone out of his way to not just play erika but to make sure that he's getting over on her in the DR and actually setting it up for her to be humiliated. I don't know how that is different than two guys going at it and trash talking behind each other's back - or two women for that matter, but somehow it is.

If Janelle actually boots Will this week, I may be encouraged to finish watching this season. As of now, it all seems so bloody predictable and my interest has greatly waned.

OMG..I have to go to class again tonight....is he really going?

Boogie's behavior is the absolute worst representation of men. To use and abuse for sport (especially since he started this long before the show started) knowing that she is going to be humiliated when she watches the show is beyond forgiveness. I have a firm belief that he will get what's coming to him in the real life. He's been exposed to be a total waste of a male body.

As for Will, he prides himself on being Dr. Evil and the Puppetmaster. I was a big fan of his up until his rant in the back yard about Janelle ruining his life. He showed how elitest he is and how little he cares for the victim of his manipulations.

In a way, I can't completely condemn Erika and Janey for being played, because no one would normally expect this kind of behavior from grown men. I think Janey's still having a tough time getting her head around it, but the truth has kicked in and can't be denied.

I had my "Oh, shit" moment with Will when he and Janelle were on one of their power walks and he brought up In the Company of Men, and then went into great detail about the plot and how genius a film it was. And if you know what the movie's about then...yeah. Scary. Especially when at one point, I swear he stumbled and referred to the girl in the movie as the "blonde girl" instead of the "deaf girl". I kept trying to deny he could be that calculating, but I under, or maybe over, estimated him.

What happened was Erika made a hand signal to Janie and she did it back to Erika and mouthed "Payback baby, payback!"

I don't know if Janelle will actually boot Will - I'm leaning toward thinking she will- but I think she's going to play both sides until much closer to eviction. Will thinks he's safe. Erika thinks she's safe. If both are pacified, Janelle has more time to mull it over in her mind as to what SHE wants. I still love Will with all of my groin, but if Janelle kicks his ass out, I'll still think it's awesome. He's kind of got it coming.

Moved from recap thread - MrsGryn

Oh God. I can feel myself getting emotionally invested in the outcome of this eviction - and that worries me, because if Will stays and Erica goes than Janie will have been played beyond redemption, and fuckers like those two asshats will end up winning this game. I could be in a really bad mood in a few hours...

For every chick who has ever believed the crap that some guy told her just to get the outcome he wanted, I'm getting to the point where I think I need Janie to flip him. Now it's fucking personal.

Same here, lurkernan. I feel like I need this to happen.

Between Janelle and Erika, there are enough similarities for women to identify with - be it the gullible girl being wooed by a smooth talker or the needy woman buying into a bad boy's bullshit. Let's face it...most of us have been there. Kicking them to the curb and giving them what they truly deserve feels like REDEMPTION.

edited - Quicking is not the same as KICKING. : )

All I gotta say is that this is gonna be funking awesome and I would love it if Janelle threw in a Bye Bye Bitches when Will leaves and she wins the final HoH.

You know, at this point I would actually be fine with either Janey OR Erika winning the whole thing. Erika's final move was so dramatic and has the potential to give such great television (and thus entertain me) that I HAVE to give her credit. For them to evict Will at this point makes the whole season worthwhile. It certainly sounds at this point that the plan is still a go, so hopefully everything will turn out well. Just to see the look on Will and Booger's faces will be worth every boring minute of the rest of the season.

What surprises me some is that this evening Will is hardly doing anything to sway Janey at the last minute. I wonder if he's decided to just throw his fate to the winds at this point...

YOu know what would be the sweetest thing? Janey "swears" to Will she won' use the Veto so he can vote Erika out. And then "swears" she will take him to F2 with her if she wins HOH. Then, during the live show tonight, look Will in the eye and say she's using the Veto and high five Erika as she moves from the chair to the couch. And before she even votes will out, she tells both the boys, "Neither of you is going to F2 is I win HOH" And then Erika pipes in, "Same here". Then Janey can vote Will out and Mike can go batshit and throw things and the nice young men in their clean white coats can come and take him away!
And No, I'm not drubnk. Yet.

Sorry if this has been asked before, but will Janey have to vote in front of everyone tonight since she's the only one? I hope she doesn't chicken out having to vote right in front of Will.

Can someone do a quick recap of the evictees reaction for us poor West Coasters tonight?

Hee! Can you imagine how uncomfortable Boogie would be if left in the house with Janelle and Erica, both who know how totally he was lying to Erica? Expect some major house fights if Will gets bounced!

I feel the same way. I think Janelle would win, but I wouldn't mind Erika winning at all. If not for Erika, I wouldn't have the joy of seeing Will's "dream crushed"!! God, Janelle, do NOT disappoint me tonight.

I think I scared my neighbours by yelling out Wahooo!!!!!!! Freakin' awesome. Way to go, Janey.

I am SO HAPPY in Internet Land tonight!!! So overwhelmingly glad! Both girls are responsible for this turnaround--hats off to each of them. Now they just need to toast Booger's skinny ass, then I'll feel satisfied with the winner, whoever that is. Monumental move--extremely slow in coming this year, but finally it happened! Whew!!

Dish, people !

What happened, how did Will take it, did Booger shit his pants?

I only read other people's reactions, but Will pretended to take it well, and sounded sincere, but people sensed undercurrents of bitterness. Booger took it HORRIBLY, and looked like he wanted to murder both women, who high-fived each other in the bathroom. Good times!

Booger jumped off the HOH endurance comp before the show even ended! Said each of the women would have to take him to F2 to win, so he's not even playing!! See? Will really WAS his brain.

Okay I can't believe that Booger could do something that surprised me.

Booger has earned his place in the Reality TV Hall of Shame 99 times over this year. What's one more time to make it an even 100? He apparently said something about "Remember Richard Hatch?" to both women before he jumped down.

Bummer, too. It ended already--Janelle removed one of her two hands when he jumped down, so Erika automatically won that round. She told Janelle she was taking her to F2, so there, Booger. He'll be so nasty to both of them in the next few days, neither will dream of taking him to final 2! Great strategy, BoogPig. Ever hear the expression "You reap what you sow"? This is you reaping the crap you sowed to the women you secretly despise.

This is good, though--Janelle vs. Boogie in a quiz? Easy win.

I'm kinda fuzzy on this. Can somebody please explain how the rest of this works? I know that Boogie and Janelle will play part 2 and that it will be a Q & A comp. Then what happens? Who decides who's going to F2? Thanks!!

Boogie or Janelle(depending on who wins part two) will then compete against Erika in part three for HOH. Who ever wins HOH decides who they are taking and who they are eviciting.

Oh, so if Boogie wins part 2 and then plays Erika in part 3, the winner could still take Janelle to F2, even if she lost both part??? Sorry I'm so dense -- especially when I've seen 100% of every episode for all 7 seasons! I've been in bed with pneumonia and can't muster up what happens.

Fixed tags -- Mags

Yep, as far as I remember that's how it goes. The HOH has the only say in who stays or goes.

We were out of the house tonight so I missed this episode. As soon as I got home, I ran to the computer to see Will's name as the evicted one and did a little dance. I'm so happy!

What happened with the endurance contest? Did Janie really mess up so early?

Well I hope she wins the Q & A part and they both stay true to this girlpower final 2.

Mike walking out the door on Thursday will make me so happy I might cry tears of joy.

Go Janie! Go Erika!

OMG. This has been 24 hours of pure GLEE!! I have loved every second of the recaps when Erika and Janelle finally aligned, I cheered so loud I scared my dogs when Janelle gave Will the boot, I cackled and yelled DUMB ASS when Boogie dumped the comp, and I have giggled with delight at the latest recaps. Hamster Time recappers: You guys are the BEST! It's pitiful to be so thrilled over a reality TV show but hey, isn't it great to be so easily pleased.

GO VAJAYJAY ALLIANCE!!!!!!!

Tonight was a live show? Shows how much I've been paying attention. I watched House instead. Oh well. Will has been evicted and Boogie is pissed. That makes me smile. :)

How great would it be if Boogie's evicted and there's a flashback to his DR answer: "You reap what you sow"

Now that would be DOOG TV. Hee.

Well Mike jumped off immediately, spouting some stupid shit about Richard Hatch and saying you both have to take me to F2. Janelle got distracted and took one hand off her key when they were supposed to hold it with both hands. They went to commercial and when they came back Julie told her she let go of the key (she didn't really explain it all too well but it was fair.) Janelle was pissed but I guess she's not going to go all Jamesy about it. 1st round Erica. I think Janelle didn't understand that she was supposed to keep both hands on the key and Julie didn't really explain it very well. Erica asked "Both hands" and Julie said "For Now."