Cami
Aug 19 2006, 08:35 PM
James' nomination was Dani's idea. She explained it to James beforehand-- because he has the best chance to beat Janelle in a veto comp, and because they supposedly have the votes to keep him, if he doesn't get taken off.
She's not aware that Will and Boobie have decided to vote James out if he stays on the block.
Alise
Aug 19 2006, 08:48 PM
QUOTE(Sarafu @ Aug 19 2006, 06:29 PM) [snapback]23265[/snapback]
So I think Dani should encourage James to connect with Janey and then bring her in for a long conversation with both Danielle and James and hash it all out with a promise for the final 3. Getting Janey out of Will's sphere of influence would obviously be a huge part of that plan as well. Having them team up has the potential to completely change the outcome of this game which seems to be a handing of the whole game to CT.
This would be the best thing that could happen to all 3 of them. I think Janie is finally waking up, she's hoping that she gets saved somehow but she's going to go after the wrong target if she stays (Erika). My husband and I talked about a Janie/Dani alliance after Janie's mom said she wished Dani and Janie had teamed up.
The person I feel sorriest for in all of this is Erika. She had a relationship with Mike out of the house and if he blows her off in the game, that would be alot more cruel than what's happened with Will and Janie.
Minxy
Aug 19 2006, 09:03 PM
QUOTE(Alise @ Aug 19 2006, 09:48 PM) [snapback]23271[/snapback]
The person I feel sorriest for in all of this is Erika. She had a relationship with Mike out of the house and if he blows her off in the game, that would be alot more cruel than what's happened with Will and Janie.
In the long run, I'm sure Erika would be better off, I mean this is Booger we're talking about.
Sorry, 7 weeks in and I still can't believe this is the same Erika....<shudder>
Snooky
Aug 19 2006, 09:09 PM
QUOTE
So I think Dani should encourage James to connect with Janey and then bring her in for a long conversation with both Danielle and James and hash it all out with a promise for the final 3. Getting Janey out of Will's sphere of influence would obviously be a huge part of that plan as well. Having them team up has the potential to completely change the outcome of this game which seems to be a handing of the whole game to CT
That would be awesome. I'd get my respect for Janelle back. I want Dani to win, but I still like James a lot better than Booger or Will, neither of whom should still be in the game this late. My true favorites left early on--Nakomis and Kaysar--so I'm stuck rooting for Dani.
I hope James win veto so he can take himself off and not be backstabbed by CT. Booger is stupid to pull a fast one on James at this point, since Dani might come after him and skewer him. That'd be good to see, though.
ManeAndTail
Aug 19 2006, 09:38 PM
QUOTE
So I think Dani should encourage James to connect with Janey and then bring her in for a long conversation with both Danielle and James and hash it all out with a promise for the final 3. Getting Janey out of Will's sphere of influence would obviously be a huge part of that plan as well. Having them team up has the potential to completely change the outcome of this game which seems to be a handing of the whole game to CT
IF they did this.. it would take approx. 41 seconds for Janelle to tell CT all about it. She is completely blinded by Will.. and nothing is going to change that. I can picture CT keeping the noms the same.. voting Janie out this week, and her still voting for him in the end.
On a different note.. what is Will's gf's name? I wanna do some research myself on if she has dumped his ass...
*chuckles sinisterly*..
Alise
Aug 19 2006, 09:46 PM
QUOTE(ManeAndTail @ Aug 19 2006, 07:38 PM) [snapback]23290[/snapback]
On a different note.. what is Will's gf's name? I wanna do some research myself on if she has dumped his ass... *chuckles sinisterly*..
Erin Brody
On another note, you know that Boogie telling Dani not to take James off if she wins veto has her totally wondering what the hell is going on. Wrong person to throw stuff out there to. She will take it, dissect it, and put it against 100 scenarios until she figures out.
Fixed tags -- Mags
Susie Diamond
Aug 19 2006, 09:57 PM
Ok, I don't have a MySpace account nor do I want one, but can a person "delete" another person's "friends?"
My dog has a dogster account, but I've never tried deleting a friend and I'm thinking MySpace works like Dogster. What I'm trying to say is; can Erin delete herself from Will's page? OR can only Will delete a friend?
Will's gf's name is Erin Brodie. It's been said on the feeds and other places that she won 1.5 million dollars for her stint on her show. She didn't. There was some VERY strange language about how that prize was awarded. I think the initial prize was awarded over a 20 year period. And, because that show was such a flop I wouldn't be surprised if the second part was awarded over ANOTHER 20 year period.
So, I don't buy the "me and my girlfriend are so special that we won a combined total of TWO MILLION DOLLARS by being on reality shows.
I'm not a Will fanatic, because after 9/11 (being a NYer) I kinda lost the end of that season. I also don't think Will is guilty of abuse. Yeah, he can be a schmuck, but this is BB. Use or be used.
ETA: I may have got the spelling wrong of Erin's last name as Alise is saying "Brody". Her father was a football player.
AnnieMoon
Aug 19 2006, 10:05 PM
Her name is Erin Brodie, with an "ie."
As for the MySpace thing, either the person running Will's MySpace while he's in the house removed the pictures for whatever reason, or Erin requested they be removed by the maintainer. Unless she has Will's password, she wouldn't be able to remove them herself.
ManeAndTail
Aug 19 2006, 10:05 PM
I cant find anything even remotely current..
Hey, did you guys know she was on for love or money?? *insert rolling eyes*
so the HGs are fairly certain this is going to be a morphing contest.. why they are thinking this I have no clue. But thats okay because I think the clue committed suicide weeks ago.
Susie Diamond
Aug 19 2006, 10:16 PM
QUOTE
so the HGs are fairly certain this is going to be a morphing contest.. why they are thinking this I have no clue. But thats okay because I think the clue committed suicide weeks ago.
Speaking of the clue, where
is Beezer? I hope I got that name right. Does anyone know? Hope all is OK.
geekchicklet
Aug 19 2006, 11:20 PM
I'm going to start a campaign -- to try to get BB to devote one of the four available feeds to sequester.
I miss Howie! :P
P.S. Part of me wishes George was going out this week. Of course, in that case, I might be willing to pay extra for a feed of sequester...
Starryeyes59
Aug 19 2006, 11:29 PM
Maybe Erin IS the maintainer of his myspace account while Will is in the house. I'm happy to have independent confirmation that the page has changed. Of course, she may have all sorts of reasons to change it, not just being PO'd at Will. Maybe lots of people were trying to add her as a friend or something (?) and it just got to be too much of a PIA.
I wish they'd start the freaking veto comp already. Some of us East Coasters need to go to bed soon or we won't get our laundry done tomorrow, you know what I'm sayin'?
ETA: Geekchiklet, don't give them any ideas! They make enough already considering it's not exactly 24/7 feeds as advertised, more like 18/5.
kayleigh
Aug 19 2006, 11:43 PM
QUOTE(Alise @ Aug 19 2006, 08:48 PM) [snapback]23271[/snapback]
The person I feel sorriest for in all of this is Erika. She had a relationship with Mike out of the house and if he blows her off in the game, that would be alot more cruel than what's happened with Will and Janie.
That's what I think.
How is what Will is doing any worse than Janie's game, except that he's on 10? If she can use flirtation to manipulate, or at least form alliances, then why is he the abuser and she the abused? To me, he's just beating her at her own game.
Will is no abuser. He's on a game show, and he's more aware of that fact more than anybody, expect maybe Boog or Danielle.
There is plenty of evidence that the man is perfectly decent, normal, and even nice in the real world. Manipulation is a huge part of this show/game, and he's good at it. That's why he won the first time, and that's why he has a good chance of winning again. If anybody falls for it, especially the second time around, when they ought to know better -- well, whose fault is that? Personally, I find it amusing. I'll admit though, if there were anybody else in the house I liked more, I might be upset if they were the target of that manipulation. But, if you get played, you get played, it is what it is.
Boogie, however, has crossed a definite line for me. That is cruel, because it's absolutely unnecessary. But I'm not yet dismissing the idea that it's prefabricated by him and his "girlfriend". In which case I'll laugh, but he'll still be an asshole. Because he'll always be one, no matter what. Quoting Ali G will only make me like you for a split second when you're sporting a baby blue beret.
chrysana
Aug 20 2006, 12:17 AM
QUOTE(kayleigh @ Aug 19 2006, 11:43 PM) [snapback]23356[/snapback]
Boogie, however, has crossed a definite line for me. That is cruel, because it's absolutely unnecessary. But I'm not yet dismissing the idea that it's prefabricated by him and his "girlfriend". In which case I'll laugh, but he'll still be an asshole. Because he'll always be one, no matter what. Quoting Ali G will only make me like you for a split second when you're sporting a baby blue beret.
I'm not sure I'd say Boogie crossed a definite line. He's an ass that's for sure but he's always been an ass IMO. Being from the reality world Erika knew what she was getting when she started up with Booger. That being said do we really know what their relationship was in the real world? If they had a strong-bonded relationship before they went into the house then I could see there being a problem. However I'm doubtful that they had such a relationship (I don't think they've been together that long). Besides wasn't Erika the one flirting with Kaysar earlier this season?
kayleigh
Aug 20 2006, 12:49 AM
By crossing a line I mean him
claiming that he deliberately led her on before the show with the sole intention of using her in the game. When you go that far in the "real world" to try to win a game, I think that's crossing a line and it's unnecessary.
QUOTE(chrysana @ Aug 20 2006, 12:17 AM) [snapback]23360[/snapback]
Being from the reality world Erika knew what she was getting when she started up with Booger. That being said do we really know what their relationship was in the real world? If they had a strong-bonded relationship before they went into the house then I could see there being a problem. However I'm doubtful that they had such a relationship (I don't think they've been together that long). Besides wasn't Erika the one flirting with Kaysar earlier this season?
I totally agree with you on that point. I mean, the man's been wearing a tee-shirt advertising the showmance angle more than once. Again, I'm not discounting the possiblity that the whole Boogie's using Erika storyline isn't just another CT ploy. If it is, he won't be an asshole for taking this stuff to an unecessary level -- he'll just be an asshole.
howardtheduck
Aug 20 2006, 12:49 AM
Way to go Jedi Janey!!!! Buh-bye James, you traitorous bastard! Hope Howie tears you a new asshole in sequester.
Now she just has to win HOH next week and get Danielle the fuck outta there.
*dares to hope again*
Snooky
Aug 20 2006, 01:16 AM
Since Janelle has teamed up with (gotten under the thumb of) Will, I can't bring myself to root for her. I wanted James to win veto, because Janelle was safe, and James might catch a clue and go AFTER CT. Janelle never will. Janelle LOVES Chill Town. Janelle is CT's darling!
The pro-Janey sentiment is also wearing. I like picking on all the HGs in my recaps, but clearly I'm in the minority. Have fun, all!
issycat
Aug 20 2006, 01:37 AM
QUOTE(Snooky @ Aug 20 2006, 01:16 AM) [snapback]23407[/snapback]
The pro-Janey sentiment is also wearing. I like picking on all the HGs in my recaps, but clearly I'm in the minority. Have fun, all!
You are not alone. Janey is not my favorite either.
Regardless, I am glad that she won Veto (Does that make sense?).
It's just good tv. And I LOOOVE seeing James get so mad! It's so easy to get him riled.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I like Dani. I liked her in season 3 and I like her now. I'm not sure she should win though.
Wow! Can I sound any more wishy-washy? I'll be honest here. I think it's because I, like Janelle, have fallen under Dr. Will's spell. It's got me all confused. He's just so cute when he's being so bad. I just can't help myself.
RogueScribner
Aug 20 2006, 01:45 AM
Janelle won POV? Which means either CG or Ericka is going up next to James. I don't think the house gives two flips about either of them, so they may take this opportunity to boot James. Crapola. I was actually rooting for him and Danielle to make final 4 at least. Oh well.
Alise
Aug 20 2006, 01:47 AM
Ugh, another contest with a questionable outcome where Janelle is concerned. Just redo the whole thing, and get on with it.
And I'm with Snooky on this, let's not make this into that other board where every freaking headline is apparently a post that is so pro Janie it makes you sick.
uaintjak
Aug 20 2006, 01:49 AM
Dollgate '06 begins.
Boy, BB really sucks with the whole competition thing, considering, you know, it's sort of the point of the show.
James's version:
Janelle had the Howie Doll. She grabbed it so hard she cracked the H. James saw the Marcy doll underneath her (or something), went to grab it, she grabbed his hand, said "Give me the fucking doll" and that's when her fingernail cut James's thumb. Janelle ended up with the Marcellass doll.
Everyone's allowed to have an opinion.
Cami
Aug 20 2006, 02:22 AM
QUOTE(uaintjak @ Aug 19 2006, 11:49 PM) [snapback]23444[/snapback]
Everyone's allowed to have an opinion.
Thank you. Recaps especially are a labor-- well, not of love, but of something. So long as we're not attacking each other for our differing points of view, it should be cool.
I'm happy Janey won. It sounds like it was hard-fought and well-earned. Nobody seemed to think the outcome was questionable before James came out and told everyone that they saw it.
But of course, we won't be able to judge for ourselves until we see it.
I do think it's a shame that everything Janey does is tainted by someone else's bittercakes, like the HoH redo, for instance. Erica and Dani will never forgive her for that, though Janey herself had no control over the malfunctions, and no advantage over the others except her own skills.
Tsylyst
Aug 20 2006, 02:35 AM
I get the impression from hearing the other hamsters talk when James isn't around that they didn't see squat. They wouldn't put it past Janelle to do what James is saying she did, but they can't for sure say she did do it because James and Janelle were on top of the dolls and blocking their view. Which would lend truth to the producers saying there wasn't a camera angle on it. James keeps saying "The cameras were on the dolls. The producers knew where which dolls were, you can't tell me they didn't have a camera on them." But if James and Janelle were blocking the views of the other hamsters, it could very well be that their bodies were also blocking the cameras.
Danielle was very careful when she was talking to James not to tell him that she agreed with him. She later told Erika that she told the DR that she didn't see what James was talking about because she couldn't tell what was going on.
The producers seem to be calling everyone into the DR and it sounds like the hamsters are agreeing that they didn't see anything incriminating.
sweetnsassy24987
Aug 20 2006, 03:16 AM
What's bugging me is that James throws a giant hissyfit whenever something doesn't go his way to such a dramatic proportion yet bitches about it when anyone else does that (see Janelle last night).
The other thing is there were so many questions about cheating in competitions last year that BB ignored or didn't seem to indulge to this proportion that I'm annoyed they are doing it now. With the HOH, which was LIVE and viewed by America, it was an obvious redo because of the buzzer issue, I don't see how yanking a doll out of someones hand is "cheating". You should have held on harder you big baby. It's not the pro janelle sentiment of the whole issue, it's just when you look at last season and the baloney between the fiendship and the jedi's and all their competition claims of cheating by each other that bb was like the result is final that this just seems ridiculous.
Alise
Aug 20 2006, 04:56 AM
Ack, Janelle just admitted on the feeds, that she did indeed say to James ' Give me that doll'., and if that's the case, then how would she have gotten it? By interfering with James and taking it from him.
Oy vey.
Edited to add:
Something with Will is not sitting right with me. He keeps saying I'm trying to produce a good show. He just told Janelle he told them in the DR, 'I don't want the tape to be reviewed, I don't want it shown on TV, and I don't want it mentioned again'. In my own weird way I'm like Dani, when things don't seem to appear right, they aren't.
TallDavid
Aug 20 2006, 09:03 AM
QUOTE(Alise @ Aug 20 2006, 05:56 AM) [snapback]23505[/snapback]
Something with Will is not sitting right with me. He keeps saying I'm trying to produce a good show. He just told Janelle he told them in the DR, 'I don't want the tape to be reviewed, I don't want it shown on TV, and I don't want it mentioned again'. In my own weird way I'm like Dani, when things don't seem to appear right, they aren't.
Please. Will is NOT producing the show. He just likes to think he is. The real producers know that James' rant was on the feeds so they HAVE to review the tapes. My bet is we will hear from James the resolution to this (something like, "They said they reviewed the f*g tapes and they dont show any foul. #$@%&"
Anyway, as long as Janie and Will stay in the game for another week or two I'll stay tuned. If James goes and then Erica we will have DOOG TV.
merlynn
Aug 20 2006, 09:21 AM
From what I read, it seems like Janie more or less admitted she did what James said she did. And it wouldn't surprise me if she did. She's a fierce competitor and I can see her getting physical if she got caught up in the moment trying to win. It doesn't sound like BB is going to do anything about it though.
I'll admit that I wish James would have won, but not because I don't like Janie. To be honest, nothing would have made me happier than James and Janie teaming up till the end. Or since James is probably getting evicted now - Janie and Dani teaming up.
The reason I can't stand Janie in that house right now is that she's 100% wrapped up in Will. If she was playing this game to win, she'd dump him first chance she gets.
The houseguests keeping bitching about Janie being the "favored" child all the while they are handing the win to Will. I'm starting to hate them all. Who in the world would have predicted George would get Howie evicted? This has been an insane season. I'm glad it's been shortened. I've gone from being amused at Will's ability to work them all to being sickened by how they are all handing him the game.
I hope Dani wins the next HoH and goes after CT. Otherwise, I think I'm done until the 12th.
skat510
Aug 20 2006, 09:40 AM
I was rooting for James too, only to fuck up CT. I'm really over them driving this whole thing and no one is able to see it. Bleh. If one of them makes it to the end, how could they not get the $$. It's not that it's bad they're playing it the way they are, it's just BORING. I mean at least the Howie eviction was unexpected.
PS-Snooky I really enjoy your recaps and I hope your post doesn't mean you'll stop...I love reading recaps where the recappers hate ALL the HGs as much as I do! :)
Oinkie
Aug 20 2006, 10:24 AM
I am not a Janelle fan. I hope she loses the game. I liked Kaysar as a person, but thought he was a lousy strategist. Wasn't it his RIDICULOUS idea that they try to take out all the floaters first? Geez, the most solid alliance in that house was Chill Town. And I join in with others in wondering what anybody was thinking! Didn't any of them watch Season 2? Didnt any of them understand Season 2? S6 allliance did what they did to themselves with a series of really stupid strategy (through Kaysar and Janelle). Not targeting CT early and most of them (exept Kaysar) kind of isolating themselves from the others. Though James loves to lie and manipulate, I believe him that at least part of his reason for flipping so early was Janelle's stupid decisions and lying to her alliance (while playing dumb blond thing even with them) about telling Howie who to target in the veto comp.
Again. I was only cheering for Janelle in S6 because the friends (especially at the instigation of Yvette) had become so vile with the level of trash talking. In hindsight, I am rethinking the whole thing and thinking I might have been swayed by the commentary and partiality of some of the recappers. In hindsight, I guess my thing was mostly against Yvette because of (1) her bizarre cult-like clinging to Cappy who I thought was a total controlling freak type of an asshole; (2) her obnoxious behavior in general; (3) her mouth and the constant whining, etc. In hindsight, maybe the friendship wasnt quite as bad as the recapping made them out to be. I say this because, for example, of the way some recappers seem to "recap" some badmouthing by one person and then add some "forgiving" explanation of the words and behavior of someone they liked and then be nasty about players they didn't like doing the same thing. Prime example was Howie and his "Busto" bullshit on that woman and her family. And I have to say it, at least the friendship stayed pretty true to their allliance and they were all women - women who didn't use their sexuality, but just lied and backstabbed like any decent BB competitor (LOL)
And I don't think they were completely wrong about all of their comments on Janelle. When her mother mentioned how other girls didn't like Janelle -- I'm wondering if there probably weren't good reasons for at least some of those girls. Some very pretty women seem to get along well with other women, have lots of female friends, etc. while some very pretty women don't. Janelle's gameplay this season and her targeting of women and her strategy of using her looks and sexuality says something to me. Remember she went into Season 6 with a boyfriend, humiliated that guy on national TV by hooking up with whatshisname after how long on the show? And when she won a phone call, who did she choose to call? Not her mother, another relative, Ashlea or hell, even the original boyfriend maybe to apologize to him. No, she calls her showmance dude. I think somebody commented in a recap that in her HOH room she didn't even have a picture of her mother or family member. She breaks up with her showmance guy, gets another boyfriend, and then what does she do? Will! For about a day or two (according to the recappers), we got Janelle moaning about Julie Chen's question about her and Will affecting her relationship. That soon ended. And now there's another guy humiliated on national tv added to her trail. I not only question how much she likes other women, but I wonder how much she REALLY likes men and considers their feelings.
I'm sorry, but it's my minority opinion that Howie is pretty much an asshole. Yes, he is sometimes capable of being nice to others (like Chicken George), but his constant sex schtick annoyed me during S6 and it annoyed me this time too.
Also it bothered me how people on this site were going on and on about somebody's bathrobe being ugly or joking about Diane living in her car and using her homelessness as a joke rather than something like her blowing her own alliance by being sucked into relationship with a guy who seemed so obviously to just be using her. And a lot of the recapping negative commentary against Dani just cause she talked a lot and drank? Since she's not climbing into bath tubs/showers with other people, there ain't much else she can do. Look at the types of criticism and catty remarks some of us are making here and we ain't locked in a house for months with no friends/family, work, tv, music, pets, decent food at times, etc. Maybe we should cut the hammies a little slack when they badmouth each other while living with paranoia 24/7.
BB by its nature cannot be a game of anything other than lies, manipulation and back stabbing. Only one person can win the half million.
I hope Dani wins. If she doesn't, and I thought I'd never say it, I hope Will or James wins. Their lying and backstabbing was at times masterful and at least they made the season more interesting.
Sorry this is so long, but I haven't posted in a long long time, wanted to get these things off my chest and join with the few others who are so rah rah Janelle and Howie.
Minxy
Aug 20 2006, 10:41 AM
QUOTE(Oinkie @ Aug 20 2006, 11:24 AM) [snapback]23551[/snapback]
Also it bothered me how people on this site were going on and on about somebody's bathrobe being ugly or joking about Diane living in her car and using her homelessness as a joke rather than something like her blowing her own alliance by being sucked into relationship with a guy who seemed so obviously to just be using her. And a lot of the recapping negative commentary against Dani just cause she talked a lot and drank? Since she's not climbing into bath tubs/showers with other people, there ain't much else she can do. Look at the types of criticism and catty remarks some of us are making here and we ain't locked in a house for months with no friends/family, work, tv, music, pets, decent food at times, etc. Maybe we should cut the hammies a little slack when they badmouth each other while living with paranoia 24/7.
Isn't that kind of the point of being here, to discuss the hammies and the goings on in the house? It's a tv show, they chose to subject themselves and their behavior to public scrutiny.
Have you seen Dani's robe? It fully deserves every word of snarkiness! I wouldn't wear that thing around my house, no less on national tv!!
Cami
Aug 20 2006, 10:47 AM
James said Janelle used more than "incidental contact" in the scuffle for one of the dolls. Janelle says she did say to James, give that to me, when they were fighting over it, she doesn't say she did anything against the rules. She seems really confused about what James' problem is, and nobody's really filled her in on the details.
What Janey says is that they were fighting over the Howie doll, James ended up with it, and she just grabbed the Marcellas doll, not knowing it was actually the right answer.
James version is that he had the Marcellas doll, and she took that from him trying to use some kind of extreme force that was prohibited by the rules.
But if he originally wanted the M doll and thought it was right, then why the fight over the Howie doll at all? James said she was trying to hard to get it from him, that she broke the H. Why was James fighting to keep it so hard if it was the Marcellas doll he really wanted?
There's a lot we don't know until we see the comp and understand the rules, so I don't think we can assume Janelle is guilty or that James is justified. But so far, James' accusations don't appear to be backed up by any of the hamsters, or the tapes, or the producers. And we've seen James all season ranting and lying about Janelle with complete conviction. He really doesn't have any credibility when it comes to Janelle, or accepting losses.
As for Janey being wrapped up by Will, I'm not really seeing that anymore, since her hard epiphany on Friday. It remains to be seen how well she's really learned her lesson, but since then all she's done is win a comp that saved her ass in the game; hardly something that required devious manipulation.
It sounds like both Will and George helped her in some ways during the comp, too. Perhaps the tables have turned, and Janelle has become an inadvertent puppetmaster? It remains to be seen.
uaintjak
Aug 20 2006, 10:48 AM
I'd just like to add that it's really hard to feel sorry for someone like Diane, who, while saying she's homeless and living in her car, is also carrying around $1200 worth of sunglasses.
Cry me a river, Diane, and then drive away in your house.
Magpie
Aug 20 2006, 10:53 AM
QUOTE(Minxy @ Aug 20 2006, 10:41 AM) [snapback]23552[/snapback]
Isn't that kind of the point of being here, to discuss the hammies and the goings on in the house? It's a tv show, they chose to subject themselves and their behavior to public scrutiny.
Exactly, Minxy.
General reminder to everyone: Recappers are allowed to post their thoughts on the Hammies, just as HT posters (and that includes Janelle fans!) are allowed to post in favor of whomever they wish. We are all entitled to our opinions here.
Let's keep this thread focused on what's going on in the house this season. If anyone finds a post they feel is against the rules, please PM a mod rather than posting about what you feel other HTers should and should not be saying. Thank you.
uaintjak
Aug 20 2006, 11:14 AM
I'm very curious where this whole thing between Willboogie is going to go.
They both seem onboard to get rid of James...but I think that's mostly because Booger hasn't figured out that he'll be the executioner. It wouldn't surprise me if Booger took the easy way out and got rid of Kitchen George (assuming he's nominated) instead of James.
Will is always pushing for Janelle being on their side, while Booger is always pushing for Danielle. Between the two of them, I'd say Will's strategy makes much more sense. Janelle no longer has any allies remaining in the house, while Danielle still has her fallback Scrubika.
Speaking of which, when are all these alliances going to start biting people in the ass?
(I tried to list them in order of importance to that person - let me know what you think)
Scrubika: Aligned with Booger, Danielle, Will, Kitchen George.
Danielle: Aligned with James, Will, Booger, Scrubika, Kitchen George.
Will: Aligned with Booger, Janelle, Danielle, James, Scrubika.
Booger: Aligned with Will, Scrubika, Danielle, Janelle, James.
Janelle: Aligned with Will, Booger, Kitchen George, James (well, maybe not so much now)
James: Aligned with Danielle, Booger, Will, Janelle (again, probably not so much here)
George: Aligned with Janelle, Scrubika, Danielle.
Some freakin' chickens need to come home to roost here, is what I'm saying.
bttrcup
Aug 20 2006, 11:19 AM
QUOTE(Oinkie @ Aug 20 2006, 10:24 AM) [snapback]23551[/snapback]
I am not a Janelle fan. I hope she loses the game. I liked Kaysar as a person, but thought he was a lousy strategist. Wasn't it his RIDICULOUS idea that they try to take out all the floaters first? Geez, the most solid alliance in that house was Chill Town. And I join in with others in wondering what anybody was thinking!
Kaysar had a deal with Will.
A floater took Kaysar out.
So how was Kaysar's strategy to go after the floaters not a smart choice?
If we didn't know about the deal between Will and Kaysar, then yeah, going after the floaters might seem like a questionable choice. But we do know about the deal, and guess what? It was real!
I'm hoping for a final two of Janelle and Will - the most competitive player in BB history versus the most manipulative. They're the two biggest All-Stars so having both of them in the final two would be unbelievable. Who would the jury vote for? I think it would be really hard to predict, because both parts of the game are important. It would be a fabulous and unpredictable ending to BB All-Stars!
Highwaygirl
Aug 20 2006, 11:20 AM
Everyone needs to cool it with their criticisms of other posters and their opinions, immediately.
And DO NOT start a post with a condescending "Please," else ye shall be banned.
hab
Aug 20 2006, 11:25 AM
QUOTE(uaintjak @ Aug 20 2006, 11:14 AM) [snapback]23557[/snapback]
Speaking of which, when are all these alliances going to start biting people in the ass?
(I tried to list them in order of importance to that person - let me know what you think)
Scrubika: Aligned with Booger, Danielle, Will, Kitchen George.
Danielle: Aligned with James, Will, Booger, Scrubika, Kitchen George.
Will: Aligned with Booger, Janelle, Danielle, James, Scrubika.
Booger: Aligned with Will, Scrubika, Danielle, Janelle, James.
Janelle: Aligned with Will, Booger, Kitchen George, James (well, maybe not so much now)
James: Aligned with Danielle, Booger, Will, Janelle (again, probably not so much here)
George: Aligned with Janelle, Scrubika, Danielle.
Some freakin' chickens need to come home to roost here, is what I'm saying.
It seems that James' chickens will come home to roost very soon. I think they all will take this opportunity to get rid of him because he's much tougher at comps than any of the others. George will be strung along for at least another couple of evictions because he's an easily swayed voter. Mike is golden--he'll win this thing if he makes it to final 3 and wins final HoH. Erika and Danielle will hang on a little longer although I fully expect Erika to be thrown under the bus within the next 2 evictions. Danielle will be a little harder to get out. Will, I think, will be gone at final 3 if Janelle makes it there and has to choose between him or Mike. I do think CT will take Janelle to final 3 at this point (I keep changing my mind but I think Will wants her to be either his or Mike's final 2 opponent.) Janelle may be evicted next but she keeps fighting to stay so she's the wild card.
merlynn
Aug 20 2006, 11:34 AM
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It remains to be seen how well she's really learned her lesson, but since then all she's done is win a comp that saved her ass in the game; hardly something that required devious manipulation.
I don't know. I'm just getting the feeling she's still on board with Mike and Will from the recaps I've read. I hope she's going to strike when they least expect it. Yes she had to play it safe this week, but CT betrayed her and voted Howie out. She owes them and I won't respect her until she makes them pay.
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Kaysar had a deal with Will.
A floater took Kaysar out.
So how was Kaysar's strategy to go after the floaters not a smart choice?
If we didn't know about the deal between Will and Kaysar, then yeah, going after the floaters might seem like a questionable choice. But we do know about the deal, and guess what? It was real!
1. I don't consider Dani a floater. Never have, never will.
2. Kaysar's plan to take out floaters was moronic because it took out people he could have trusted in favor of people he couldn't.
3. Has Kaysar confirmed he and Will had a deal since he left the house? If so, he's a bigger moron than I thought. But I don't believe most of what Will says, so unless Kaysar confirms it - I think it's bullshit.
ETA: As far as alliances are concerned, I hope James sits down with Janie and spells it out for her before he leaves the game. I think George is expendable so he might take a hit soon as Dani and Janie battle it out. I think Mike would most want Erika beside him if not Will. Will probably wants Janie if not Mike. Dani will be a target soon if she doesn't do something huge with her next HoH.
Highwaygirl
Aug 20 2006, 11:36 AM
QUOTE(merlynn @ Aug 20 2006, 12:34 PM) [snapback]23567[/snapback]
2. Kaysar's plan to take out floaters was moronic because it took out people he could have trusted in favor of people he couldn't.
This is the mistake that people make all the time in this game, and I've never understood it - why take out someone that MIGHT be on your side, under certain circumstances, over someone that you know will NOT be on your side and is likely actively working against you?
Morons, all of 'em.
bttrcup
Aug 20 2006, 11:42 AM
QUOTE(merlynn @ Aug 20 2006, 11:34 AM) [snapback]23567[/snapback]
1. I don't consider Dani a floater. Never have, never will.
Then let me change the wording! Kaysar targeted someone other than Chill Town. Someone other than Chill Town took him out. Better?
It's just words - my point is just that Kaysar gets a lot of criticism for not going after Chill Town, but since he had a deal with them, and they weren't the ones who came after him, I don't get the criticism.
merlynn
Aug 20 2006, 11:46 AM
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It's just words - my point is just that Kaysar gets a lot of criticism for not going after Chill Town, but since he had a deal with them, and they weren't the ones who came after him, I don't get the criticism.
I'll ask again. How do we know he had a deal with Will other than what Will has said? I don't trust much of what Will says. So unless Kaysar has admitted to a deal with CT, I don't think it's true.
Also, why the criticism? Because anyone who watched season two
knows Will can not be trusted! I would prefer to think Kaysar had bad strategy than to think he just a stupid moron who picked the worst person in that house to deal with.
Cami
Aug 20 2006, 11:47 AM
I don't know if Janey's the vengeful type, as far as making CT pay; I'll settle for her playing her own game and using them in whatever way might help that. She certainly owes them nothing.
merlynn
Aug 20 2006, 11:48 AM
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I don't know if Janey's the vengeful type, as far as making CT pay; I'll settle for her playing her own game and using them in whatever way might help that. She certainly owes them nothing.
I guess for me it would be the same result. I don't see how she could beat either one of them so if she wants to win - they need to go. I just don't think she can see that. I would love to be proven wrong.
Cami
Aug 20 2006, 11:56 AM
I doubt Janey will ever again let Will convince her to do something she feels is against her own best interest. That's how I define being under someone's sway-- I think Janey is past that. I hope so.
Janey wants to win, how she decides the best way for her to do that I can't predict at this point. This game has gotten far too complicated for me.
Violetta
Aug 20 2006, 12:02 PM
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I'm very curious where this whole thing between Willboogie is going to go.
I'm very curious about this too,
uaintjak. Yesterday when Will was selling Boogie "Operation Save Janie" I got the feeling that Mike wasn't too keen on booting James and pissing off Danielle. I think at that point Boogie still believed that Dani was more aligned with CT than she was with James. But Dani made a strategic mistake by locking herself in the gym with James before the POV comp. Will harped on it and convinced Boogie that Dani's first loyalty is James. Then Dani sealed the deal when she suggested they should take James off the mac if they win POV. I was kind of shocked that she'd say that--Dani has been playing a very smart game and she had to know that is was risky.
I know Will goes on and on about how Mike is first priority, but he's manipulating Boogie just as much as the other hamsters, and for whatever reason he's really pushing the Janie agenda. I also don't buy Will's "of course I'll go out soon. No problem, I'll work the jury house" lies. And because it's Willl, I can't decide if he wants Janie in the F3 because he thinks he or Boogie can beat her at the end, or because it's DOOG TV and he likes to believe that he's producing the show.
I'm also curious to see if Mike will throw either Dani or his showmance Ericka under the bus when the time comes. I still think that Mike and Will have slightly different priorities, but I've no doubt that Dr. Evil will get what he wants in the end.
bttrcup
Aug 20 2006, 12:03 PM
QUOTE(merlynn @ Aug 20 2006, 11:46 AM) [snapback]23574[/snapback]
Because anyone who watched season two knows Will can not be trusted! I would prefer to think Kaysar had bad strategy than to think he just a stupid moron who picked the worst person in that house to deal with.
I think it's more a matter of knowing how to read Will. It's not impossible! And if anyone in that house was level-headed enough to get Will, it's Kaysar.
I'm not trying to convince anyone, I just think Will and Kaysar teaming up was brilliant, and in both of their best interests. And there's no doubt in my mind that it's what kept Will in the game, and for that I'm grateful to Kaysar. This season is worth watching because of Will, but he never would have gotten past week two, if he hadn't had Kaysar looking out for him.
gforce
Aug 20 2006, 12:15 PM
Yet another reminder to mind the tenor of your phrasing, folks. Keep it cool.
merlynn
Aug 20 2006, 12:31 PM
bttrcup,
I read about Will talking about a deal with Kaysar in the recaps, but Will lies. Has Kaysar confirmed it in a post-house interview?
I'm only asking because smart or stupid doesn't matter if it isn't even true.
Haunted Rain
Aug 20 2006, 12:34 PM
Regarding the Diane car jokes... I was really the first person to start in on that.
Before I did, I posted that I thought Di was lying about living in her car (in her thread). I said that, if all else failed, we all knew that she could live with her twin.
And, she even said that later - her sister has a room for her.
I think we all understood that we were joking about something that was not really true. Diane is dramatic and embellishes her stories. She also was playing a pity card. She wanted people to feel sorry for her financial situation and keep her until sequester.
That's what made the jokes funny rather than mean. I don't think anybody wants to make fun of homeless people.
rappy
Aug 20 2006, 01:19 PM
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