I actually took that differently. I thought Will was totally trying to play off the Janelle thing as just part of working her over. Didn't he say something like, "I know what my role here is"? I thought he was trying to show that yeah, I may have romanced her a little, but it's all a part of the plan and now she's totally onboard. Now, I do tend to think he's spinning that a bit to look more badass and less emotionally involved than he really is, but I think he's definitely still clinging to the idea that he can keep up the showmance to get Janelle to do what he wants.

Snooky recapped this:




swsa, I agree that he's acting like he's playing her, but it got romantic? I'm sorry, but I just don't know if Erin will be that understanding. I know she did a reality dating show, but still. I think he's getting his ass dumped if that relationship was even real.

By the way, that last bit about Janie having no one? I hope her thing with George is real. I'd love to see Will blindsided by that one!

Multiple accounts make it sound like Will and Erin were dating before the show. It could have been set up for the show though, who knows.

i think that Will is an insecure little boy at heart. Personally, I think he likes Janelle but doesn't want to get played on TV so he's playing it off as "doing his job". He probably knows that he's blown it with Erin but he's just covering his bases. If Janelle was playing him, he can try to BS Erin by saying it was all part of the game. If Janelle is really into him, he'd probably date her. Just watch his mannarisms when she is around- his legs start twitching, he always looks for her and for approval, he blushes. Sorry, no one is THAT good of an actor. He might love Erin and saw a future but he's definitely interested in Janelle also!

If I'm wrong and he is totally playing her for the game- he deserves to win the game and be sent to prison to protect the female population, cause damn he's good.

I'm really starting to think that Janelle's not totally suckered in by him, primarily because of the George thing. Will asked her straight-out last night if she had any relationship with George, basically digging for info on who wouldn't be a disaster if they won HoH. Janelle totally denied having any bond with George at all. Then went on to say that she thinks he only listens to Danielle. Pants on fire, Janie. Good girl.

This is the end of S6 all over again with us just not knowing what's going through her head because she has no real ally left to confide in. But based on that lie, her DR's in last night's ep, and the way her flirting seems more subdued since Howie left...I'm not at all sure that she won't backstab him, or more likely Boogie. I think if Danielle gives her the right info and is willing to provide back-up, Janelle may decide to go after CT. Or vice-versa if Danielle extends the olive branch if she's in power.

The whole thing is very scary to me...in a reality TV show kind of way, especially now that I'm kinda liking Janelle again.

From the feeds I see, and the recaps I read, Janelle really seems into Will and tripping over herself to do his bidding.

Yet, the DR's from last night's show, some of her subtlety, her relationship with George. It doesn't completely 100% jive with "Will's puppet" scenario.

Or, maybe it's just wishful thinking.

I don't know. I hope Janelle proves to be smarter than people think she is. Again. And, not because I'm a Dani fan. Right now, they both need to realize that their biggest competition right now is Chill Town. Booger needs to go right now. If not Booger, then Will. But, I definitely would prefer Booger leave. I mean, honestly not that I ever liked him or anything, but he's starting to quickly rise in the ranks of slimiest reality show stars ever, right up there with Johnny frickin' Fairplay.

I can't stand Booger.

I also read an update on Joker's:



So who knows what the hell is going on for sure. I mean, Will wouldn't be the first guy to convince some girl that he truly had some feelings for her....when the truth is somewhat less than that. *snort*

Given the time factor and the number of hammies left.. will there be a double eviction every week now?

At least one more right?

I hope Dani gets HOH this week. On the spot throws up Janie and CG.. Janie wins the midnight veto and Dani is forced to put up either Erika or CT.. Erika goes. Then Janie wins HOH on Sat. puts up Dani and CG.. Janie wins veto again leaving them both and Dani goes.. then Boogs gets the HOH next week and puts up Janie and CG with CG going. Then Janie wins HOH and puts up CT with Boogs going.. then the jury votes Janie the winner! Amen

If it's a Janelle/Will final 2 I doubt Janelle would win...JMO.

He definately isn't her best bet for winning.

I'm hoping Dani wins HoH and goes after CT using the "pawn" story as cover.

I read on dingo's site that the mysterious DR Will and Janey had last night is going to result in the two of them going on Amazing Race. Did anybody hear the conversation where they discussed that?

Where does that leave Boogie??



BWAHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Am I right in thinking that Dani is so upset because James will be leaving tomorrow???

Slower Than Chicken George On The Uptake,

Just Kimmie

First of all, I hope this is just a rumor and nothing more.

However, if this were hypothetically true, then I am so over Janelle. I mean, what in the world would have prompted that to come out in the Diary Room? I'm not a conspiracy theorist. For all this talk about rigged games, I didn't believe it. But, I think if this turned out to be true, I'd start to wonder if they haven't been setting up Will and Janie as F2 all along.

But also, if I was say...Kaysar or Howie, I'd kind of be pissed. Girl would look like a total ho. I mean, come on, Kaysar is supposed to go on AR with Janey, not Will! It's reality TV adultery I tell you! Adultery!

It sure seems that way. I think she's realizing without James and Janelle moving into her place in the LoD that she's gone sooner rather than later. Plus, she probably is PMS'ng because that how we chicks are when we are that way--all weepy & shit.

Id actually rather see Janie and James on AR. Can you just picture Will running anywhere? Breakig a sweat for any reason? Poor Janie, she'd have to attach him to her back and drag him from location to location. I can't understand what makes Will think we'd enjoy watching him at this game anyways. His whole schitck is being a lazyass who doesnt care about anything enough to try for it.
However, James would just blame Janie whenever they didnt come in first place or accuse the producers of rigging it so their team would win because she's on it.

And she's probably guessed that CT is working with Janelle (for real, not just blowing smoke up her ass). Game aside tho, I think Dani and James have a real closeness, and she's going to be sad to see her friend go...

ETA: I'd love to see a tinkle of tears edit for Dani if she starts bawling when James gets booted...

All the hamsters have big dreams of being on Survivor or Amazing Race--doesn't mean they will be. Since Dingo's a big Janelle fan, I could see him planting that idea hoping CBS would go with it. I can't imagine anything in the DR would have happened to actually cast them on another reality show at this point--it's a different staff, for one thing.

Then there's this salient point from Keith:

That's right - America loves Kaysar not Will. Kaysar's popularity on the CBS poll was always higher than Janie and it stayed strong even after he was evicted. That's the pair that would pull in the ratings.

I think the DR thing is them promising each other the F2. I think Will has officially dumped his butt monkey.

The way James & Danielle are bullying Erika--you don't think she'll vote for him to stay do you. I mean--he must go, damn it!!!

I hope James stays, just to show CT they aren't really in control of the house. I hate CT! If he goes, he goes--but I'm so sick of the smugness that is CT. And I wouldn't mind seeing the last of George...

I hear ya Snooky. Plus I feel like if James goes, it's just gonna be a CT stroll to the finish line and that would just be a big predictable snorefest. Oh except maybe we'll get more of the barforama that is Erika and Boogie. Yay can't wait *snort*. Just something, anything to change up the CT dominance...not that I don't dig Will's machinations, I do, but it's almost sad at this point how he's running this whole thing. He really is producing this season. But let's face it...CG hates James, Janelle will do whatever Will wants, and if I couldn't see it sticking out her back, I would say Erika has no spine, so I fear ol Jamesy-Wamesy is toast.

Well if it's any consolation to you guys, I'm sure CT is going to lose someone this week. As far as I can see from the discussions so far, Janelle, Dani and/or probably CG is going to go after both or at least one of them if they win HOH so...

About the Amazing Race thing, see http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads...;o=&fpart=1 and http://chat.bigbrotherchatter.com/message....6119#reply_6119. Is this really a plan, or more Chilly Willy game play? So hard to tell with him. Not that Janey is incapable of playing the game herself. I just think she's a little less ruthless than Will. Any predictions? (Txgramma is withholding judgment, given the trust factor around here.)

If Mike finally goes, I'll be thrilled. Even though Will is playing a great game, I wouldn't mind if he went too. In fact, I think that would be the much smarter move for the house. Plus I would love to see Will - the biggest double dipper of them all - get blindsided by an eviction he didn't see coming.

As far as James staying is concerned, I think he's toast so it doesn't matter. But I would only want him to stay if he committed to going after CT. If not, boot him. I'm tired of CT "producing the show".

And you know if Arnie doesn't want people to think things are rigged he needs to shut his boy Will up. Or at the very least, address issues like the money split and stuff.

I can't fault CT from a gaming standpoint, at least. They know their play!

I don't fault CT at all. Well I fault Mike for being a slimey jerk, but that's not the point.

I'm impressed by Will's nerve, charm, and ability to con the house. I think he deserves to win.

I'm just so disappointed in the rest of these damn "All-Stars". How can they be "All-Stars" and let Will play the exact same game he played in season two? Even worse, he's brought his alliance mate along for the ride this time. At least in season two, they got rid of Mike!

It's not CT that disappoints. It's the rest of them. I'm hoping someone does something huge this week and gets one of them out of the house (along with Erika - just can't stand her).

I think CT is digging their own grave this week. If what Will said in his DR on TUesdays show is true, and they are keeping Janelle because she is a bigger target than they are, they are messing that up big time by voting out James.

Okay, the way I see it is that there are three people right now who are going after Janelle. That would be Danielle, James, and Erika. If CT breaks the LoD alliance, Dani will have no reason NOT to put up CT. I doubt she will take kindly to her alliance members breaking up said alliance. And James will be gone, so that only leaves Erika who will be gunning for Janelle.

My prediction? James leaves this week, and someone from CT leaves next week.

I don't understand why CT doesn't just vote out George. Voting out James is going to paint an even bigger target on their back, IMO. Will is a smart guy, but this is the dumbest thing I've seen him do so far, I think.

My prediction.. James leaves this week and instead of calling sarah from sequester.. he calls his lawyer.. waaaaa

So from the live feeds last night, it appears that Dani and Erika got James good and drunk.. Janie and Dani got Will good and drunk.. (notice whenever the word drunk is written..Dani's name is there) while Janie pretended to drink more than she did.. hee hee Jedi Janie returns!!

I can't ditto you enough on this one, Z. My thoughts to a T. Go Jedi Janey!

ManeAndTail: I always love your take on gameplay, especially when it comes to smarmy James. You also mentioned the evictee taking a tape of the show to sequester, I don't think they take a tape of the show that we saw, I think it's like a very short edited version of platonic things that happened throughout the week. I could be wrong though.

Someone mentioned that the 'power' is no longer valid because Booger told about it, but I don't think that's accurate. Didn't Julie Chen say that it could be used for the next three evictions? Haven't they had three evictions since he won the power? They had one the first night, then Marcellas and Howie were evicted. Correct me if I'm wrong, please?

Seriously, I don't care what Will says, he is playing with a certain amount of emotion on this one. I think he just plain doesn't like James. And I think it pissed him off when people called James a mini-Will. He told Boogie yesterday that his goodbye message to James was all about how the teacher never shows the apprentice all the tricks. I think he's about 80% motivated by ego here, and maybe 20% of knowing that James isn't trustworthy enough to keep around, and if you keep a challenge monster in the house, it should be one you can count on.

I really don't fault most of the players for keeping Will in the game. Seriously, I've got distance from him and way more information than the rest of the house, and he's had me bamboozled at various points this season. I really did think he wanted to be out before sequester for awhile there, I really did think he was just there for Boogie for awhile, I still don't know what the hell he actually thinks of Janelle. And at the end of the day, Will's fun and entertaining, and I don't think that quality can be overstated in a game where you're trapped with someone 24/7.

All that said though, I TOTALLY blame the house for not dumping Boogie. Seriously, WTF. Get on the ball here people.

swsa, I agree with you about Will 100%. I think he's playing a very emotional game, not just when it comes to James, but also when it comes to Janey. He's good at what he does, but now that he's working so closely with Janey, I think he has lost sight of his original goal. Janey will be Will's downfall in the end though. I don't think she's nearly as doe-eyed as people seem to think she is. She has had her eye on the target from the beginning and that target is being the winner of All Stars. She was tricked by Will in the beginning, I think, but she's back on track and ready to take it to the end. My money is on Janelle as the winner of BB7.

ETA: Will is nothing without Booger and Booger is nothing without Will. Once one of them leaves, the other will soon follow.

Regarding the 'power'. Tonights eviction will be the third, and with Boog being HoH and Janey having Veto, I don't see it being used.

As far as Janey goes, I see her winning final 2 against anyone left in the game, with the exception of Will. I don't think she will make it tho, just because of that fact. No one will take her willingly, and she would pretty much have to win either HoH or Veto from here on out to make it.

My prediction is Janey making F4 or maybe F3 at best.

I guess that means that the houseguests should learn about it being null and void before the show goes off tonight then. I hope so. I don't think it's right that Booger is allowed to hold it over George's head since George is the only one that doesn't know it's null and void now. Isn't CG the only one in the dark? I know Booger told Danielle (and probably Erika) about it and Will told Janelle about it, so that leaves James and CG. Danielle or CT probably told James.

I hope you're wrong, Stepchylde, I really do.

If you are correct, who do you feel will win if not Janey?

Merged double posts -- Mags

Rainbo - I agree Boogie is nothing without Will, but respectfully disagree that Will is nothing without Boogie. During Season Two, Will's game stepped up a hundred fold after Boogie had been evicted. Boogie needs to go so Will can really step it up.

I second that...Will did quite well on his own in S2. Boogie just doesn't have the personality to go it alone. Will told the entire house that he hated them, changed it to disliked them and he still is well-liked by everyone in the house. Boogie tries to be the "cool kid" and constantly falls short. Will is the popular kid in the class, no matter what he does or says he will remain the one all the hamsters want to hang out with.



I don't mind the Revenge of the Houseguests blog. I do wish they'd talk more about the game and not to each other about life. I'm amused that Jack still hasn't said anything about Erika and her whorish ways or her emanciated appearance. Of course they aren't supposed to talk about stuff not on the show so if you can't talk about stuff not on the show Erika doesn't come across as quite the whore that we know she is.

Exactly. If the houseguests want to win, they need to get rid of Will first and then Mike. Will can easily make it to the end and win even with Mike gone.



To be honest, I think Janie has as good of a chance as the rest of them. She's going to need some luck. She's going to need to get rid of Mike. She needs to go to the F2 with the right person. But she can do it.

ETA:



I think she was totally snowed at one point, but Will screwed up with the Howie eviction. The Marci manipulation and Howie eviction happened way too close together for her not to get snapped out of whatever crush she had for him. I actually expected him to lie rather than justify on that one. I expected him to say Mike wanted to vote for Erika because of their showmance, but James and Will were suppose to save Howie and he didn't know what happened. It's not like James could prove who he voted for - it would have been his word against Will.

If Will wasn't going to lie to Janie about Howie he shouldn't have voted Howie out. I think he underestimated Janie on that one (at least I seriously hope he did).

I also think Will is about to make a similar mistake with evicting James. This time he told Dani, but the reasons he's giving her are totally transparent. That and Will is clearly glued to Janie right now. If he thinks Dani's not smart enough to figure out what he's doing, he's stupid. I guess he's counting on Janie always protecting him against Dani.

I'd love to see those two team up to get him out and then leave him gloating goodbye messages. That probably won't happen, but it would make me smile.

I think it depends on the houseguest about whether it's better for the Daywalker or Doucheboogie to go. For Janey, Will going would be a voting disaster. Doucheboogie would vote with Daniholic and Erika and run Janey out the game unless Janey could win HOH and PoVs back to back to back. If Boogie left, it would tie Will into Janey that much tighter. Now, if you were Erika or Dani then Will leaving would be great as Boogie would join up with them. I don't think it matters much at this stage for KG - he might be at the point that he is always gonna be on the radar and everyone's second choice for eviction. In his favor is that the first choice for eviction is everyone else.

Right now, it's about being able to stay of the block by winning HOHs and PoVs. Janey has as good, if not better, chance as anyone but I don't think that chance is substantialy greater than anyone else.

My fantasy play this week is: (after James goes to Mexico)

Danielle wins HOH, puts up Will and Janelle. Janelle wins veto, Boogie goes up. Boogie goes. If Danielle tries to backdoor Janelle by putting up Will and Boogie I hope Janelle gets veto, vetos Will, Danielle puts up George and Booger still goes.

You're right, I should have been more specific. Janie needs to get Mike out and take Will to the final 3. BUT I don't think she should take him to the final 2 unless it's between him and Dani (because I think Dani will be a hard one to beat on the jury).

However, George, Erika and Dani all benefit from a Will eviction. George becomes Janie's main friend in the house if Will goes. Erika and Dani get Mike. Dani might even be able to reach out to Janie with Will gone.

But the whole house does benefit from one of them being gone.

I thought Jack summed it up rather well.

"Humpty Dumpty was pushed"!!! That's great.

I don't get it, either. Why would Dani be down with this, seriously? James was her "Super Secret Alliance partner" like Boogie is to Will, but less out in the open. I also don't get why anyone would worry that much about Erika and Boogie's secret relatuionship when there's an overt obvious two-person relationship in the house. On Season 2, the players called it eliminating the "power of two." Well, we've got a huge power of two staring you in the face, and you can't dump one of them? (preferably BoogTard).

That would make the season for me. Janelle bugs me this year when she didn't last year, but mostly I fell off her love train because of her gullibility for Will. If she pulls a fast one on him and kicks him to the curb, I'll be hosting a party for her, even though she was really slow on the uptake earlier in the season. If she just rides along on his coattails until F4 or F3, with Booger in tow, I won't be nearly as impressed.

I actually think Dani might have a chance to beat her too. Dani could probably beat any of the rest of them left in the house, with the closest vote totals against Janie. Will has screwed way too many people this time, and they're much more jaded than the last bunch who voted for him. There is no way Howie would vote for Will over Dani or Janie, neither would Marci, Erika or James. In some ways, depending who he's up against, Will might just have as hard time winning as Chicken George or Erika.

You almost got it right..

James's view of life..: Humpty Dumpty was pushed by Janelle..

AND, the producers know it but are pretending the tape broke so they dont have to punish her for it!

AND he would never push Humpty Dumpty.. and if he did.. he would rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life plus 4 years.

So I was thinking about if there would be another double eviction this week or if they would wait until next Thursday and my hopes for who is evicted next and all that.

I ended up with this amusing picture in my head of Marci watching "alpha male" after "alpha male" walk into the sequester house while Georgie boy sits in the house with the three ladies.

I still don't really like Erika and Will is playing a great game, but this scenerio made me laugh.

From what I heard on the feeds a little while ago, Dani realizes that if she wins HOH she needs to take Will out. And yet, Will is talking about throwing the HOH comp. Sure, he's been spinning James being a floater and running back to Janey, but does he really think Dani will trust CT like theyre telling her to WHILE they're voitng out an LOD alliance member?

I don't know why Will is pushing the Janey agenda so hard, when he could have gone to the F4 with the LOD. Boot Janey this week, then the four of them can run all the comps and take out CG and Ericka. As it is, he has Dani coming after him, and who knows what CG or Ericka will do if they get HOH. Will, because of his super-sized ego or whatever, is making the same mistake that James has made for the past two seasons--stabbing his alliance in the back too soon.

If Dani wins HOH, I think we'll see Will go out, and she's already talking a little about trying to work a F2 deal with Janey. Will has now managed to take the target off of Janeys back, only to place it squarely on his own.

In response to Snooky's post about not getting why the CT buttmonkeys don't vote out KG:

I think there are a couple of reasons. First, they feel safe with KG and don't think KG will go after them. Whether that's right or wrong, I don't know. I'm just going by what I think CT thinks. Second, anytime you get James on the block with a clear shot of eliminating him, eliminate him. It took weeks last year to get him out of the house and letting him get off the block this time might mean you can't ever get him up there or keep him up there from here on out. In my book, I think you have to vote James out in this situation or your buying trouble. Third, it keeps a Dani/James twosome from being able to run through the house at this point. Take out George and leave in James and you just might find both ends of CT up on the block and no one willing to help them with the Veto - at least no genuinely dominate competition person. I don't think James, Erika, or Dani have any particular love for keeping Will in the game. If anything, they have lots of incentives for taking out Will. Finally, taking out George would be the final straw with Janey. The post-Howie Janey is a lot more hard-edged than before and if she wins HOH after George has just been evicted it could very well mean both of CT go up - the very thing they are worried about with leaving James in the game. That's the way both me and JZH see it and JZH knows this game.

Dani might try a Will/Janey nomination if she gets Hoh. Erika's really hungry for HoH, too-- I think she'd do Janey/CG.

I love how Janey's mystique has worked in her favor- people are starting to be resigned to her winning stuff, so they're more open to working with her.

All I got to say today is buh bye Jamesy! You lyin' asshat - yes, I hope they play the friggin tape for the punk ass sissy.

GO JJ!!!! VCR is fired up, tv's are set --- excitement is filled within me and endorphines will be flyin' if m'girl gets HOH!!! Then I pray she puts up BOOGTARD and DANHELL!! As long as JJ gets to the finish, all's good in the world.

KaySTar & JJ on AMAZING RACE had better happen. I'll kick, scream adn yell obscenities if it's her and Will that go. *shudders*

The show's been pre-empted here in Minnesota because of tornados. Guess I'll have to watch it online later.