(FYI to everyone else, I sent this to Cami as a PM but we both thought it made sense to put it in here as well)

Hey Cami,

I saw your post in the highlights thread and wanted to respond but didn't think that was the place. I'm not trying to change your mind, just further explaining what I was thinking. I just didn't want you to think I was pulling it all out of my ass, you know? Here's your post-






I think this is just a matter of interpretation. The tone of the conversations were supportive of George and it certainly wasn't Howie lying the whole way through or that Howie was even lying at all. But there were some things he said, that combined with things others were telling George about how THEY all campaigned to put Marcy up instead of George, plus whatever the hell happened in the Red Room, gave George the indication that Howie wasn't being honest with George about how Marcy's nomination went down. Here's what I'm specifically referring to in the PM convo. I couldn't find a clip of the AM convo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4gC3oMSjcA

Around the 1 minute mark:

G: Why would I go after you guys?

J: Howie's just a beefcake.

H: I told him, I told him- I, we did everything we could last week to keep you off the block and we did. And there was people in your alliance fighting to get you on the block, to get you voted off because they wanted to keep Marcy & Dani & Erika intact. Am I saying they're playing melicously? No, that's what they wanted to do. They consider you a quote/unquote "the weakest link" in there alliance because you got brought into it or whatever, just like you got forced into Chilltown. They, they wanted to sacrifice you. Was it wrong in the morals of the game? No, that's what they wanted to do. I'm not sayin they wished bad will on you by any means...

J: Here's the thing... What do you want us to do George? I could try to win the POV and keep the nominations.

H: That's what he wants us to do basically, esentially.

J: Yeah, I could do that.

G: Wait a minute, let me just think this over. Okay? Just let me...

H: Okay, okay. The first thing is we'll try to win the veto, you'll try to win the veto and then we can come back..

G: ..and then we'll come back together.


3:15-

H: You're still in this game because of some of your abilities, because of some of your efforts this year. Absolutely. Your veto kept you in the game. I can speak for Janey & I that we weren't putting you up. I don't know what, I don't think the consensus, I don't know about the rest of the house, what they were doing but you know, you won today, you're staying this week until you know, the double eviction for sure because of your efforts.


5:33-



G: I've lost my alliance, that's done. You know, but I don't think I was really a part of it anyway.

H: Um, I think you were a thing of convience for them. I don't want to speak for everybody but I'll just tell you the facts that came to us. They were bargining to get you out and save them. They were doing that, they were doing that. If they come up here and tell you otherwise, you know, you know, it's a word for word, but I mean...

J: I don't think it's so much as that but that they wanted to have voting power as well. So, who knows.

I find it HYSTERICAL that James, the biggest traitor on the fucking show this season, is pissed at CT for turning on him and throwing the comp. Payback's a bitch. Can't wait to see his ass get voted off and can only pray that smug wench Dani follows him quickly.

As for Will, as much as I despise him, he saved my girl Janey. Maybe he really does want to take her to the end...or maybe I'm starting to sip the Dr. Evil Kool-Aid myself. Fuck, that boy is good!

I don't think James suspects Turd Town threw the competition. He just thinks Janelle cheated.

As far as he thinks, he's still sticking around this week.

I was thinking along these same lines today. I wonder if we had a Will, Booger, Janey F3 who would take whom. Would Will take his buttmonkey? Would he win against him? Or would he count on the Janey animosity continuing to fester in the jury house and take his chances against Janey in F2? I wouldn't be all that surprised to see him throw Boog under the Chenbot's pointy toed shoe.

I'm think James does believe they threw the comp but accepted Will's bullshit excuse cause he needs their vote. If he really believed he was safe this week, not sure he'd still be all Sir-Pouts-A-Lot all over the fucking house.

I think Will might try to come up with a way to throw the final HoH to Janey, so that she is the one who has to make the decision on who gets into F2 with her. He likely thinks that Janey would choose him, and I can't argue with him there. When I first thought this, I wondered if Janey might foil him and pick Booger instead, but I think she could come up with a better jury speech against Will.

I can just picture Will letting Janey take him along into F2 and then he wins again without ever having won any of the game comps. *sips the kool-aid*

The reason I think he doesn't believe Turd Town threw the comp is he didn't say anything to Danielle about it (that I caught, at least). He told her that it didn't matter if he won, he was safe anyway - he was just pissed that Janelle won and feels the game was rigged, and that the producers are keeping her on purpose even though she violated the rules.

It should be noted that James is the only one who believes this. Janelle's version of events is different than his, of course.

And for James, it doesn't take much for him to think he's the victim. Remember when Kitchen George won the veto, how pissed James was? He was screaming and crying and whining that that competition was rigged too. How he had no chance to win it, the producers rigged it so KG would win, etc.

Basically, James has a martyr complex roughly the size of the Northern Hemisphere, and even if he thinks he's safe, he'll still bitch about it because he's the "Veto King" and he didn't win veto.

<Chicken George>You know, this kool-aid ain't so bad! </Chicken George>

What I am not liking is that Danielle, Erika, Boogie & others have said that they absolutely cannot vote for Janelle in the end because she won the HoH-redo. How is that her fault?

Even if they try to justify this by saying that Janelle would have been out that week, had Erika remained HoH or if they did another competition without both Janey and Will (who had incorrect answers in the first), they don't know that...

At this point, I think Will wants Dani gone and then it's clear sailing. She's the only one likely to beat CT in a jury vote. I don't think Erika, George or Janie can.

Everyone left needs CT out of the house, but they are all drinking the magic kool-aid so they don't know it.

Will deserves to win this. If someone takes CT out, they deserve to win it. But right now I'm bored with CT's control over the house. They aren't really even making Will work for it!

I haven't been cheering for Will this season. I did in season 2 because Will was great in his diary room rants. This year he's been less amusing. That being said, IMO Will or Janie deserve to win.

Janie because she's won majority of the competions and has had a bullseye on her back since she walked in the house. Love her or hate her she's won the comps fair and square. She can't be blamed for the faulty HOH buzzers, last I checked (ok I haven't really checked) she isn't part of production. I'll have to wait to see the tapes on this latest Veto comp. But lets not forget the elimination HOH when the entire house let season 6 win yet another HOH rather than banding together and taking them out.

Will, well let's face facts he has manipulated everyone to do his dirty work. Hasn't won a comp yet, has asked to be voted out, and admits to lying. If he wins the house deserves the loss.

Okay--this whole thing about redoing the PoV and how Janey got to play in the HoH redo. I haven't seen it (the PoV) so I can't make a judgement but I don't think Janelle had anything to do with asking for a redo on the HoH competition. She was out fair & square and knew it. The producers took a look at the tape and decided that the equipment wasn't working properly and had them all compete a second time with a different game. Janelle was included as were the others who missed a question (I guess Will was the only other one who missed one---the others were eliminated due to equip malfunction.) By just reading the recaps, it seems that there was no malfunction, that Janey grabbed the correct doll after she and James fought over the incorrect doll. I don't see where James has a leg to stand on in this case. It seems like two different scenarios. Am I wrong?

new here did mike loose the coup et tate now that he hoh thanks

Thanks, skat510. I feel the same, for the same reasons. I was ready to quit, but here I am, less than 24 hours later. Not recapping right now, but posting. The season's just been wearing this year. Not sure why--maybe I just overdosed on it, or maybe it's because I know all of these people far too well, and they bore the crap out of me. And they're really dumb about Chill Town! Now Janelle, who I was rooting for once, is in league with the devil, and that's just no fun. I want her out of the house, so we can focus on other people for a change.


To me, James HAS been loyal, to the LoD alliance. He felt he'd been thrown in with S6 and had to ally with them. This will be CT throwing the first punch. Dani, too, has been loyal to the LoD. I hope Dani wins. She may be smug, but no more than Janelle when she wins a competition, acts all cutesy, and flips her hair around.


I feel the same. If they're that dumb, just give it to Will already and let's all go home.

He apparently lost it because he couldn't keep his mouth shut about having it.

They need an excuse to not vote for her in the end and instead of just saying "Yeah, I don't wanna vote for her" they can be all "it was rigged!" or "she cheated her way to the end, she doesn't deserve it!" Of course, the easiest way for them to avoid all that is to FIND A WAY TO FREAKIN' GET RID OF HER!!!! Keerist, I just want Dani, Erika, CG, James, and yes, Booger too, to run Will and Janelle out of there! I got the idea that Booger wasn't on board with keeping Janelle at first, and then Will talked him into it. Keeping Janelle's good for Will, but how is it good for Boogie? I just don't believe that Will has all these good intentions to get Boogie to F2. Where's The Clue when you need it?

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Hell No, you're not wrong at all. My sentiments exactly!! Also, I'm totally ticked at his attitude. Lamesy Jamesy is a big o'pussy, whinin' like a bitch because he got a little scratch. He makes me sick. Two-faced, lyin' sonofacrappy person.

Last night Dani said Janey would never get her vote in the final 2 because of the HoH redo. She's said time and time again that it was unfair for Janey to participate in the redo.

Ah, my mistake. I didn't hear that. Still catching up on the recaps. The contestants will always find a reason not to give the money to whoever they don't like, even a flimsy-ass one. That's why the social aspect is so important.

which is why Janelle might have some problems at the end, she's not well liked by her housemates. Will on the other hand knows to be personable with everyone and not ruffle too many feathers in the house.

Both survivor and bb is like that; you have to depend on your social skills to get the money in the end after you've gotten rid of everyone else. As much as I like the jury part of these shows I also truely enjoy AR because it doesn't matter if people like you - you just have to cross the finish line first.

I cannot wait until tonight, The diary room with Janelle should tell us what the hell is she thinking aligning with CT. I mean, for right now she has to - so she doesn't get nommed, but c'mon - she's not stupid, she HAS to realize that CT is not on her side - I'm thinking JJ is going to blow CT outta there and know that her only hope is w/the stupid ass chicken man. It is her ONLY hope. Honestly, how can you NOT vote for JJ? She IS the ultimate competitor, JMHO.

Bitterness and jealousy could easily be Janelle's undoing in an F2 scenario, if she even makes it that far. She saved herself this week, but everything's going to change again on Thursday.

I agree about AR-- it's all about skill and communication.

ETA: I agree, Rainesty, and I want to give the jurors credit that they could just as easily give Janelle respect for the fact that she made it to the end in a game in which she was targetted as public enemy number one since the very day she walked in the house.

Dani totally realizes she has been had by CT. If she could approach Janelle on the'we've both been taken', tell her alot of the truth, LOD/Will flirting to influence, she might have a chance to work with her. They bring CG in, and run the house if they can, and let the best of them win the final 2. I think Dani's MO was to take James or Erika to the end, but that can't happen now, she's wise to Erika and Boogie and won't count on her except perhaps when it comes to trying to dump Janelle if she wins an HOH.

Dani got Lisa to do what she wanted by having her focus on the money at the end in S3, and Janelle might just bite.

I honestly don't see Janelle trusting Danielle to that extent. She might go along with whatever Dani says so as not to antagonize, but I can't see her being committed to an alliance with her. I think it's just too late in the game for that. In my opinion.

A random wondering.....

Finale night is September 12th.....as of right now we've got 7 hamsters in the house.....I'm assuming they'd be down to the final 2 as of the Thursday before finale night.....we've got one hamster leaving this Thursday, leaving 4 hamsters to be evicted in 2 weeks?? Double evictions till the end? Super Secret Twist?

Any theories/predictions?

I don't think they'll be down to the final 2 by the Thursday before the finale, it wouldn't make a good Sunday show not enough footage for entertainment. The possiblity is definately there for a second double eviction week.

I've just been wondering why Boogie and Will don't seem to be even considering putting Dani up as the replacement nom with James. For starters, this eliminates any possibility of Dani voting for James, and forces Erica to vote for Dani. If they really want Janie to the end, they could tell Dani they'll keep her safe, but only if she agrees not to nominate them or Janie the next time she gets HOH. This forces Dani to nominate Erica and CG, and virtually guarantees Dani final 4. If Janie gets HOH nexxt week, she'll agree not to nom Dani.

And if they decide to keep James, they've still eliminated a tough competitor.

If I remember correctly, it seems like the last week of each season is always a double eviction week, in a sense. That is, they get rid of the third place by Saturday, and then mid-week is when they vote on the winner.

So, it'll go something like this:

August 24th--evict #7
August 31st--evict #6
September 7th--evict #4
September 10th--evict #3
September 12th--1st and 2nd

I left out #5 I see. So, my guess is the week starting the 24th or the one starting the 31st is going to be the only other double eviction week besides that last week which is always revved up.

Yeah but Dani was talking to Erika at the time right? I think sometimes people have to say different things around different people. Otherwise they would just have to keep their mouths shut all the time and we know Dani can't do that. :)

Just to be fair to Janie, I don't think she has the worst chance of winning. Right now, I think James is a goner so I'm not going to include him. So from worst to best, I think it goes as follows:

Erika - I think even George would beat her. Crying, whining, begging, and sexing up Boogie should not get anyone a win.

George - I think Erika is the only one he can beat. He got his best friend in the house evicted. That doesn't help one win.

Janie - she would beat Erika or George because she's a fierce competitor, but the rest will look better than her by comparison.

Dani - She could beat just about anyone left in the house with the jury, but she's going to have a hard time getting to the final 2.

Mike - Dani might beat him but if Will takes his magic kool-aid to the sequester house we could end up with a Boogie win even againt the Black Widow.

Will - Dani is his only threat and he'll probably get her out soon enough.

Merlynn, I was told Dani had never said anything about the redo being unfair, and I was correcting that. I don't remember if Erika's the only person Dani's every said that to, but I don't think so.

Completely off the subject...but, after seeing tonite's show, are they just gonna completely gloss over the fact that Booger supposedly lost the Coup power???

IMO, YES

I don't think they had a lot of time in tonight's show. We didn't see the usual Julie interviewing the HOH George in his room. Neither of the nominees were able to say a few words which could still sway the voters. We didn't get to see the walk into the diary room for voting with Julie telling us who is coming. Nor did we get to see any good-byes to Howie. I'm thinking they just didn't have time to let viewers know the Coup is gone.

Besides with Booger having HOH and Janelle having the Veto the coup is useless. Too bad CBS tried to shake things up with the "special power" and it didn't even get used.

I'm thinking they'll make no mention of it Tuesday, either.

I bet they bring it back in future years, though...after a serious re-vamp, like they did with the veto. Remember originally, the veto could not be used on yourself, then they introduced the 'golden power of veto'...am I wrong about that?

Now, I wonder how they could re-vamp the coup...????

I think that's right, Just Kimmie about the veto, but not 100% sure. Was anyone else expecting a lot more drama on Howie's eviction that what it actually was? I was expecting a 10 minute screamfest and all we got was a 10 sec, weak stream pissing contest.

Yeah, I was totally expecting someone to go apeshit. Instead we got a pissed off Howie, but not over the top, and Mike Booger acting like a little bitch. So...you know...business as usual.

Just another thing for me to be pissy at James for.. Stepping in between Boog and Howie. What was Howie going to do..get a penalty nom for smacking Boogs? Boogs on the other hand, could have been pushed a bit more into smacking Howie, thus getting his ass evicted for assault, AND giving James some more bittercakes because Janie slapped Bo and didnt get in trouble.. Its a win win..

Speaking of Howie's lamo eviction.. It seems they left out the pre vote part too.. The part where the noms can make a speach to save themselves,, from what I gathered, this is where Howie really lost it and threatened CG. Or so says Will when he explained to Janie just why he stabbed her in the back yet again with that 10 foot pole no one wants to get touched with.

My final thought on the show.. umm how many times during Jedi training did we watch Howie and Janie go over and over and over and over the order in which they hgs got their keys?? hmmmm?? 7,491 sound about right? So.. was Janie so distraught over the betrayal and losing Howie that she was seriously wanting to tank it to leave? Or did she just throw it? No way Jedi Janie didnt know that answer. Hell, even I knew that answer.. (from watching her and Howie)

As far as I'm concerned - I don't think Howie went far enough. If I was ever around that stupid red hat of douchebaggary that douchebag wears, I'd want to take it, stomp on it, piss on it, burn it, collect the ashes, burn the ashes, collect the re-burned ashes and then put them in a solid lead cannister which I would launch into the deepest part of all the oceans in the world.

I hate that hat

I hate that hat beyond all comprehension and reason

Is it red? I thought it was orange!

it's some hideous combination of red/orange...whatever the case - I hate it like Ivette hates it when Janey wins an America's Choice phone call...that hat is soulless, it has no soul

Boobie said on the feeds that the coup loss would come out on Thursday's live show.

I had to laugh watching tonight's show. After hearing Will and his Buttmonkey go on and on about how bad Howie was going to look because of his tirade, personally I thought Booger looked like the bigger asshat. I thought Howie was totally justified, hell I would have done the same thing to Booger and I'm a chick!!

My hatred for Booger knows no bounds.....

Yeah, a big "Whateve" to Mike. Of course Howard was unhappy and what did Mike think was going to happen when he told Howard to bring it on. He knew someone would step in and keep them from fighting. Mike looked like one of those little mouthy bitches that continues to spew after he has been corraled and yells,"Let me go! I'll kick his ass" while pretending to get away from whoever is holding him back. He'd have shit himself if james had let him "go after Howard".

After Mike just bullied George into his nomination of Howie, he should be target numero uno in that house. I really hope he gets evicted soon.

Yeah that was all a big snore. It was much more exciting and belligerent in my head so I think I'm gonna pretend that's what happened. In fact, I may fabricate the rest of the season too because there's pretty much no way Will's going to lose. ZZZZZZ........

I haven't seen this yet as I am on the West Coast but it sounds suspiciously like the Cappy vs. Michael debacle of Season 6.
Boogie=Cappie. Yeah, I can see that.

Edited to say that Howie should have told Boogie he had a small pee pee (ala Michael). I bet Erika would have backed him up.

Hello everyone, I've been lurking for awhile and decided to register my name to post a suggestion. Since it is ALL STARS season, I think a great idea to pay tribute to Season 1 is to have an America's Choice Eviction (which is what they did all season long on season 1). What are your thoughts on this? I'm sure that Mike Boogie (who I despise) would win this one. It'll also shake things up a bit. btw: if Boogie gets to sequester I hope Howie lays a good beating on him.

Superbowl.

I'll co-sign both the America's Choice idea, and the hope that Booger gets a beatdown from Howie.

From your fingertips to BB's ears Superbowl!! The feeds would be well worth the cost if there was a sequester-cam to show that beat down!! Hell, I'd pay extra to see that!

I don't want Mike to get the beat down from Howard. I want Howard to terrorize Mike by jumping out at him, yelling at him and scare him over and over. I'd love to see mike scared to death that an ass kickin was coming and not being able to yell "bring it on!" while standing behind someone. You KNOW Marci aint gonna get all up in between that!