Have at it - but let's keep the Madonna/Whore talk out of it this time.

I wonder how Janey's faring on America's choice for King/Queen. Danielle told Erika this morning that she's convinced CT and George are by far the most popular HGs with Will as the star. I want Janey to win AC just to see the expression on Danielle's face. LOL

Although I'm disappointed in Janey's gameplay this year (thanks to Dr. Will's presence in the house), I still love it when she wins things, just to see the expression on the other houseguests' faces. I know that Janey will win prom queen, since her popularity FAR surpasses that of the other women's (and after 2 weeks ago, if America didn't turn on her then, they never will). I just don't want America to feed Dr. Will's ego by making him prom king. Howie all the way!

I think Janey's kicking ass this season. She's been targetted since she's been in the house, but is still there-- in spite of serious backstabbing within her own alliance.

Janie has been kicking ass this season, but I don't think that's going to win the game for her. It's not entirely her fault though. I really think Kaysar's plan to take out floaters instead of Chilltown was a big mistake. Will is just too good of a manipulator. Can you imagine the force Dani and Janie could have been if they had teamed up instead of squared off?

Part of me wonders if her game would have been different if she had been the only person from season six to walk into that house.

ETA:



It's prom queen or king - not both right? I think Will could easily win it, but if you want to help Janie out - I suggest voting for Howie. The ad says the winner will have an advantage in the next HoH and since Janie can't play having her win queen doesn't do much good.

I don't know about her popularity though. In my opinion, she's getting worse by the week. Stealing lines from Mike (I'm here to crush people's dreams) is not going to help her.

I'm just as disappointed in her gameplay, but I have to admit with the whole house gunning after her, her many wins does bring a smile to my face.

Howie winning prom king would be sweet. Poor thing's ego has taken a beating over his expanding waistline.




I can't see her winning the game either. She's been outplayed and outmaneuvered. I'm actually surprised she's lasted this long. I'd like to see her take out a few players before she's evicted, but I don't know if she'll last long enough for another attempt at HOH. I really wanted to enjoy Danielle this season, but she acted too hastily during the first week and Janelle put her up on the block because of it. The lines were drawn too soon, and now they're both out for blood. I do think they have complementary strategies, and they would have been great together because they both have such strong competitive drives.

For whomever was asking...yes, it's only Prom King OR Prom Queen. Only one person out of the nine eligible wins...there won't be both a King and a Queen~

Oh you're right, it is only one, not both.

So *if* Janelle won, it wouldn't really do her much good as far as HOH goes. Hopefully America will realize that. Still, the in-your-face to the others is too much to pass up :P

Oh Janelle, you nominated Marcellas???

I ... what the hell is wrong with her?!?

Although I must admit, I'm looking forward to reading the recaps of Marci's Meltdown.

Who else WOULD she nominate at this point??? She trusts everyone else eligible, unfortunately.

Except for Kitchen Dumbass, of course.

But with the constant badgering by Willboogie and the Gang, no wonder she put up Marcy.

I'm disappointed she caved, but at this point it does look like the plan is still to get Erika out. But it's a lot riskier now, with Danielle being able to vote against Marcellus, and Boobie wanting to throw Erika a pity handjob vote.

I posted this in the recaps after hearing Janey hush Boog when he guessed football player. Someone suggested I also post it here: Does anyone else think that Janeys boyfriend could be the football player that was on the bachelor? I don't know why I think that but I kinda do.

I can totally see that. Has anyone gathered other hints of hers about Big Daddy? Given a few, I can put MrG (aka Walking Football Enclyclopedia) on the case to suss out who it might be. The man needs something to do while I'm in chat, anyway.

Ok it took me a few minutes to find it but as I suspected that football player was UF's Jesse Palmer. I just can't see him as a "Big Daddy" but since he's has a strong connection to Florida, I can see them meeting up.

Here is the link to Tantra: http://www.tantrarestaurant.com/2004/home.htm

Does anyone that would recognize a football player want to see if you recognize one in the gallary of photos?

I seem to recall during one of Janey and Kaysar's early morning chats that she mentioned that BD was in the Navy. She didn't mention anything at that time about football.

Ross Verba? Oh, Janey, I sure hope not.

He's so greasy.

Gforce, earlier on in the season, I recapped a convo (Post #13188) with Janey who was out by the pool talking to Howie about Big Daddy and how he had gone off to training while she was in the BB house - and that his season would start before BB ended. Howie knows who he is, is friends with another player who knows him, and they talked about him without naming him, so as not to let the Internet know who he is. Then she began to fear it would get out on the Internet, so she started referring to him as being in the military.But then again today she confirmed the NFL connection.



I still don't get why folks think it's Ross Verba. I get that her boyfriend (or soon to be ex) is a professional football player, perhaps a Detroit Lion (I heard Detroit mentioned somewhere) - and that she met him at Tantra in Miami during the off-season (in April I guess). But there's a whole bunch of Detroit Lions - why is Ross Verba the one we think she's dating? What about Brett Fischer (who's actually kind of cute and closer to her age - or even Dan Campbell (who has long hair, and I read somewhere that her boyfriend has long hair).

Anyway - Ross Verba or not - I know someone googled/researched this, and am just curious how out of all the Lions, his name came up as her boyfriend? Cuz eww, just, eww, if it's true!

You realize, of course, that those of us that are Lions fans will use Janelle's unidentified boyfriend's despondency over her flirtation with Will as their excuse this year as to why the team sucks so badly. Either that, or it will inspire them! The Lions will be filled with the same rage as the Friendship was last season, and they'll finally have a winning season!

(Hey, a boy can dream...)

I was the one who said it was Ross Verba because I read where Janelle's cousin posted it on jokers at the beginning of this season. She also said that Janelle planned to move to Detroit to be near him during the season. I googled him, said meh, and carried on with my life. A few weeks later I heard Janelle tell Kaysar in that BY conversation that big daddy was in the air force, I believed that so I disregarded the jokers/ross verba rumor as just that, a rumor and didn't think anything else about it until yesterday when I heard Janelle confirm that she was in fact dating someone in the NFL but by then I couldn't remember the name of who it was and started googling stuff like "Janelle Big Brother Detroit Lions" and all kinds of weird stuff like that and never did find anything. I even went to jokers in an attempt to find it but you know how finding stuff at jokers is...a lost cause. As a last resort I thought I might possibly recognize the name if I were to see it so I found the roster for the Lions and was almost at the bottom of the list before I said "Thats him!" and the picture matched the picture I googled way back when I first read that at jokers. And yes I said he had long hair, IMO that is long hair.

And thats the story of how I know Ross Verba is Big Daddy.

Thank you.. I'll be here all week. :)

And why is the Janelle thread only 2 pages long!?!?!

edited to merge posts and to suggest looking in the Archives section for the first thread - Gryn

Thanks Janey Doll! Cracked me right up.

And again - ewww!! Just, blech. (To Verba, not Janey - alas, I happen to be one of the few remaining Janey fans and think she could do a lot better!)

On another note - DAMN that Evil Doctor is good! Whilst listening to Will work Janey over one more time last night - right after she was convinced that CT had been lying to Janey and Howie and setting them up with the Marcy nom, and Janey called him on it and he defended himself (with me so far?) - anyway, he came off like the wounded party and lamented how could Janey doubt him, since she's his #2 and he keeps telling her that they are really good friends and will be after the show. And all along, even tho I know he's lying and just trying to smooth over the Marcy eviction and make her think it was her idea (after everything was carefully set up yesterday with Booger/Marcy and Dani/Marcy convos, which were then spilled to Janey) - even after ALL THAT - I, like Janey, keep thinking, "You know, Will really does seem to like/care for Janelle as a person/friend."

What a tool (me, that is)!

Lol because it's her second one!

It's insane. He's really a smooth operator, and I find myself hoping for Janey's sake that there's something salvageable in this tease with Will.

I hope... that for Janey's own sake... Will gets the 'Most Likely to Take Over the World' title and she gets the 'Easiest to Confuse' title or whatever it is (in addition to Prom Queen of Course!) so that she can realize what a ______ (choice adjective here) Will is! When are they having this prom anyway, is it going on now?

At this point? If Janelle won the "Person Who is Getting Played by Will" title I don't think she would catch the clue. Even Yapril's Clue is playing Janelle!

So how's she going to dodge the bullet this week? Really, she's at Booger's mercy, because if he wants her gone, she's done for. But no one knows that, unless Booger springs it on them...

Actually the best place for her is on the block with a veto in her hand, or in HoH. Those two are exempt from the Coup d'etat power. So even if she's on the mac, then wins veto and takes herself off, he can't touch her. Same goes for HoH...can't touch her. She needs some of James veto mojo to stay.

So, I leave this morning for a 7 hour drive to West Virginia for a weekend vacation. I get here, get relaxed and all comfy, and on my first moment of downtime I sign into Hamstertime to see what happened at the veto ceremony, and I was shocked to see the top chart and what it read. I was equally shocked to see Janelle CRYING. I don't think she's ever cried S6 or yet this season!

I think she was genuinely upset at Howie laving in this way, and to add salt to the wounds to finally solidify her belief that she has no allies in this house (besides Howie, who's now gone). I hope this just turns her into even more of a fighter though. Screw CG, I can't believe how fucking stupid he is. Heartless bastard.

I figure at this point, Janey will either bring on the fight, or just give up completely. I hope it's the former but we'll see. Although, even now Will is spinning his spool of lies to Janey to try to get her to ally with CT. Bleh.

I say this liking Janelle quite a bit so don't throw pies at me or anything - but Janelle has no one to blame but herself for this outcome.

Blame herself how?

I know we've had this discussion befire, about whether or not Will is snowing Janie. Yeah, he probably is. But at the same time, in an earlier post, I said that Will was not the kind to heedlessly crush a butterfly under his heel without regard, and this is the moment that proves that true.

Will may be snowing her, but it takes a real man to willingly deal with a crying woman. He's doing all the things a man should do (even if he's doing it for his own selfish reasons). He's proping up her ego (telling her she's smart and beautiful), he's offering ice cream and Oreos, he's staying by her side even when she's being contrary and needy.

Some have said this is the classic behavior of an abuser. I've been in that kind of relationship, and no, it's not. An abuser would be kind for 5 minutes, tell her to get over herself, leave and force her to chase after him. A man who cares is the one who looks beyond the puffy, red eyes, the unreasonableness, the whiney "oh poor me", and still offers you ice cream.

I never thought I'd like Will, but I've never loved him more than at this moment. He has his own agenda, but he's the ONLY one in the house with an ounce of compassion at this moment. James keeps checking on her, but he's totally scared of her (god help Sara). Crying women baffle and terrify most men. I think James feels bad, but he'll be over it in a moment. Will, however, will remember this, and so will Janie. Good game play, and the only honest, human emotion I've seen all season, from anybody.

And I totally believe Janie will get over this and come out fighting like a demon. She'll go down, but she'll go down in flames.

110% cosign that.

Will is behaving admirably (save your flames for him, not me!)...not leaving her alone, propping her up, just human basic caring. That's not abusive (it may be manipulative, but we don't know that yet). Will is an arrogant ass, but he helps out Janie when he can - outside gameplay.

Isn't Will just trying to stay on Janie's good side since he voted Howie out!?!?

That isn't kindness in my book.

Yeah, that doesn't sound like kindness to me. That sounds like manipulation of others for your own well-being.

I can't find anything admirable in that.

That Dr. Daywalker is a real prince.

First, he plays a huge role in causing Conelle to break down. By, you know, gaining her trust and then betraying her.

Then, he's right there to take advantage of her breakdown. Manipulating her when she's emotionally vulnerable. "Comforting" her to stay on her good side and feeding her more bullshit when she's trying to make sense of things.

He's Dr. Daywalker during the day and Dr. Demento at night.

ETA: I got confused after the last few posts and thought this was the Will thread.

On Conelle - I agree. She only has herself to blame for this turn of events. Conelle (and the rest of S6) screwed the pooch and everything else this year.

It was weird reading the recaps from last night. I think James is being real with Janie. I think James had an easier time going against Janie when he thought she was screwing him over. Now that James sees how Janie has been totally 100% played, he feels guilty. I think he wants to see her fire return as much as the rest of us do.

I also think James believes Janie really fell for Will a little and that she got her heart broken with Howie's eviction. Janie hasn't said it and I don't think she will. But James is right - Howie's eviction alone shouldn't have gotten Janie as upset as she was last night. Feeling betrayed by someone you were starting to care about would do it though.

I hope James and Janie come to some sort of understanding this week, but I doubt it will happen. At the very least, I hope to see Janie's fire return even if it's directed at Erika, Dani and George.

I'm clearly in the minority re: the Janie/Will thing (and that's ok!). It seemed to me last night he was the one who was most sympathetic...trying to get her to laugh, cheer her up. At least he tried to get the knife out of her back! And who in the house hasn't been screwed over/lied to/played? They're all in there scheming their asses off.

I just hope for Janie's sake she gets her game on today...sounds like (from the recaps) she was putting herself back together at the end of the night.

lurker, I would agree with you about Will except with every step he took to cheer her up he advanced his position as being her only ally in the house. At the very least, there was manipulation mixed in with his "kindness".

On the other hand, James's conversations seemed more real to me. He was uncomfortable at times. He was honest. I didn't read him saying things like "I told you you couldn't trust them, now it's just me and you" blah blah blah.

There was a difference in their pep talks too. James was telling her she's strong, she can fight, this has to be about more than just Howie's eviction. Will was spining Howie's eviction, telling her Howie would have turned on them (never!), telling her she's beautiful, etc... Will was being neither honest nor respectful in my opinion. Janie doesn't need her ego soothed - she's needs her fight back! James was trying to do that - Will wasn't.

I will conceed that Will hasn't done the nasty manipulation that Roddy was so fond of where he would make Amy feel like a total piece of shit. But I still don't believe Will has real concern for Janie other than how far she can take him in the game.

It's funny, I was just thinking this morning about how Roddy would've handled this and I agree - Roddy was far creepier and obnoxious in the way he treated Amy. Even if Will was buttering Janelle up for his own gain, at least he was telling her the things she wanted to hear at the same time. And I don't think Will was completely insincere last night, but if he could combine making her feel better with advancing him in the game, I wouldn't be surprised if we would go for it.

This is the Janelle thread though, and it sounds like Janey was starting to get some fight back into her toward the end of the night, so that's a good sign for her. She really came on strong last year when it got down to her against the rest so maybe that will come back.

Janelle has been targetted since she's walked in the house. She's played an amazing game so far, evidenced by the fact that she's still there. She may have trusted the wrong people, but really, she couldn't trust anyone except Howie. What choice did she have?

I also can't see any strategical choice that she made that called for her to be broken down emotionally, as she has been. Manipulation is part of the game, but the level of emotional manipulation she's been subjected to by James and Will, and the blatant personal betrayal from Marcellas-- these things are not necessary to win the game, or essential to any smart strategy. She didn't deserve that, in my opinion.

I appreciate Will trying to lift Janelle up when she was down, and I think he helped, but he's also trying to set her up again, by telling her he's keeping her in the game and she's safe with him, when he knows very well Boobie is planning to put Janelle on the block again, to get her out.

I think it's a sick game with Will, to see how shitty he can be to a person, and still draw them back. Fortunately, I don't think Janelle believes him, or cares about going home. It would be truly awful if he did it to her again.

I think the problem with Janelle is she's just not used to this part of the game. It was so clear cut last year with the sovs vs. NH that no one really had to go to the level of manipulation that was prevalent in S2-S5. So she doesn't really know how to deal or accept this part of the game (the extent of the bullshit this year, especially by Will, is pretty deep...and hilarious, but it is a valid part of BB). She's got to toughen up.

I think the problem with Janelle is that she never had to play the social/jury game last season, and doesn't really know how.

Seriously. Last season, even if she DID make it into the final two, her only hope was that maybe Ivette or April would hate each other enough that one would become a turncoat and vote for her out of spite, and that was a very forlorn hope, because Maggie would NOT have allowed that to happen. She's still stuck in self-preservation mode, not jury-building mode.

I agree, putting her in a house with people like Will and Danielle, and Janelle is clearly not even close to their league in terms of strategy. Actually, I think James is the only one out of S6 that even comes close. Janelle only knows one game, which is fighting like hell when her back is against the wall. What I think that only Will sees is that it's really a good thing to keep her in the house, because who's she going to be able to beat in a final vote? George, perhaps.

I wonder if Janey hypothetically did get to F2, what the vote breakdown would be. Would there be a possibility that people may give her credit for being able to pull through with everyone gunning for her? Maybe not, but it is something to think about. Juries on these shows have done crazier things.

I was thinking that Janey could get some respect votes, if only for having been completely destroyed, and still making it, even after that, to the F2. Of course, there will also be the usual bittercakes about the game being fixed and her luck, so it's hard to say.

If Janelle is truly keen on aligning with CG and turning on CT, I will applaud her. I think Will would actually find it hilarious if she nominated him and Boogie - as would I. I have this weird dual like for Will and Janelle - so part of me wants her to foil all his plans while the other part of me wants him to win it all.

From the live feed recaps:


I gotta say, I'm liking Janie and the tiara. I admit to having one of my own. It was a birthday present from hubby, for my "inner princess".

In my house, wearing the tiara is a signal that I've had a really crappy day, the world has pooped on me, and I need some coddling and "princess time". I bet it's the same for Janie. It's an outward reminder to one and all that they can poop on her all they want, but she's still America's prom queen and they're not, so there (blows raspberries at "smart" Dani and Booger's scrawny girlfriend). This is the Janie that's going to keep fighting. This is the Janie who can get votes when she needs them. And this is the Janie that scares all hell out of the rest of them.

From Cami in the recaps:



I called for my lovers, but they deceived me: Will

my priests and mine elders gave up the ghost in the city,: Howie/George

while they sought their meat to relieve their souls.: everyone else in the house.

I'm not a bible-reading person, but that just kinda struck me.

There's been a lot of talk about how badly Janie has played this season, and I absolutely see that. However, I don't think is was her nominations. I think her nomination of Diane (which is basically when all this talk started) wasn't that bad, yeah it should have been Dani, but unfortunately she didn't want to upset James. At that point the "floaters" had 5 people, S6 had 4 and then there was no Chilltown. IF she had nominated Will or Booger for real and one of them left, the other would have gone with the "floaters" and the numbers would have been 6 vs. 4. It seems to me to be better to keep the numbers 4, 4, 2 and draw Chilltown in, which is what she basically did. Maybe I missing something, but I just don't see how getting one member of CT out would have benefited her at that point. The target would just get larger.

Her downfall seems to me to be her inability to schmooze which also seems kind of odd considering that her job would entail a great amount of schmoozing. This girl/woman sure is perplexing.

Also, she seemed to have come into the house last year trying to be the "dumb blonde" but found some soulmates in which she could confide and not be so dumb. Yet, she still seems to be playing the "dumb blonde" with Will. And, he seems to be buying it as much as he realizes that HE needs HER. Otherwise he would want her out of the house because she is so dangerous.

Can someone tell me why I give up a great deal of MY life to read/watch these people for months? Right now, I CANNOT wait for the Veto comp and the outcome.

I really think this is one of the best reality programs going and that is in large part due to the Internet aspect, it's just too bad it doesn't get the ratings.