BB hasn't said so it could be any combination. Since its a coup. I would guess George would be able to play for HOH again but Booger wouldnt since he's the new HOH.

James is covering his ass by voting to keep Howie so that he has Howie's vote in the end. If CT had any kind of sense at all they would vote to keep Howie and if James gets mad, they could tell him that it didn't seem fair for them to be protecting his ass (in perhaps politer terms). That way they have Janelle and Howie semi-trusting them. If they vote Howie out, Janelle's going to be pissed ... Although now that I think about it, Will will probably find someway to make the vote seem like it's all for Janelle's benefit (a la "You had to get him out sometime because you have no chance in the end against him).

Okay, so what do you guys think will happen with the sequester votes?

It's too early to really tell, but I don't think that either member of CT will have the votes in the end. James may think he's covering his ass but I think as far as Howie and Janelle are concerned - he's done and CG and Erica don't like him much (and who can blame them?) I think the *only* two people who have the best chance of winning are Danielle (crazy I know) and CG (Howie's pissed but I think he would still give it to him over anyone but Janelle).

I'm not saying he wouldn't use it but I think he also has to consider that the coup d'etat is also a safety net that he probably should only use to save himself or Will or right before it expires to get a key nemesis on the block and voted out. If he uses it now to put Janey up, he has no protection from the next HOH - say Dani or James - from putting Will, himself, or both up on the block.

I'm sure there is a temptation to use the power but it is the ultimate protection for one more HOH cycle. Personally, I think Will has to be thrilled at the turn of events with Howie going out. Without Howie, Janey is all his from here on out, she is arguably the best physical player left in the game and is one of the best at winning HOHs. On top of that, she is a form of protection against Dani - Dani has to concentrate on getting Janelle out of the game before she starts thinking about getting Will or Boogie out of the game.

Admittedly I am a dork...I have watched BB since the first season.

I am so disillusioned and disgusted by this AllStar season that I am about to cancel my live feeds and stop watching the show.

There used to be RULES that defined the gameplay. Used to be hammies were NOT permitted to create teams with a plan to divide winnings. Last year the Nerdherd were warned repeatedly against this practice.

Will has made to effort to conceal his plan to split the winninings amongst his team...regardless of which of the team members comes in first.

Will and Boogie talk about being "co-producers" and allude to having inside info regardding the show. WHY oh WHY aren't theproducers shutting this down? It makes the show appear corrupt and in violations of fair practices standards.

This season has lost all sense of good sportsmanship and fun. It is ugly and hateful.

I thought Maggie was despicable, but this year James, Danielle, Erika, Boogie and Will have made her an amateur in comparison.

I am glad for Kaysar that he isn't stuck in that toxic social group and mercifully won't have to be sequestered with them.

Poor Howie doesn't deserve the shaft he's been given. Sorry Janelle was so gullible and emotionally needy that she has screwed herself out of winning this game.

LittleMister.....I couldn't have said it better. No, really! I couldn't have.

I wish you'd stick around 'til the bitter end to do some recapping. I suck at recapping.

I wish MFMarvin had been in this house.

I second that hab. I love Marvin. Sadly, I didn't even see the show, Tuesday, that he was on because I had in-laws in town. My husband knows that he is not in control of the remote during BB. Unfortunately, my father-in-law did not get this memo, so instead of taking the remote from him, I held my breath and missed Marvin.

I have no idea why the producers let Will continue to solicit a team for a group split of the prize money.

However, it is notable that no one is biting. They usually just say "uh huh" when he goes into this rap, and change the subject. I am sure the producers are telling them it is impossible and a breach of contract in the DR. Why they let Will go on about it I don't know, but they let Will get away with a lot of stuff.

Want an off the cuff rant why Will is nuts if he actually tries this from a drunken lawyer? Don't blame you if you don't, I wouldn't either, but I'm drunk and going there anyway.

As a lawyer, without doing research or knowing what their contracts say, I can tell you it would be a very very bad idea if Will and anyone else tried this. It would be a material breach of their contract, meaning they failed to perform to the express terms of the contract. Since the houseguests breached first, BB would be under no obligation to perform their obligations under the contract -- most importantly, the duty to pay $500,000 to the winner (and the sequester stipend to anyone else who was in on it). So if Will won and tried to spread the money around, BB and CBS could sue and recover the $500,000 for breach of contract and probably fraud. Even worse, BB could argue that the breach damaged the reputation and integrity of the game to the extent that it will lose viewers in later seasons, and thus advertising dollars. Will and his conspirators would be liable for those damages, which could be in the millions if proven with some sort of reasonable accuracy.

I have heard Will acknowledge the contractual ban on splitting prize money on the feeds, which proves intentional breach and probably intentional fraud. He has mentioned two ways around it.

First, he says oral contracts are legal, and any oral contract he makes with a houseguest is binding and enforceable, and it is separate and apart from the contracts they made with BB. True, as far as it goes. However, such oral contracts, proven by the tapes, are simply clear evidence of intent to breach the contract with BB. Ironically, if Will wins and BB chooses to go after him only in a breach of contract suit to recover the $500,000, whoever had an oral contract with Will to receive money if Will won has a good argument that Will still owes him or her the dollar amount of the share, precisely because it was an enforceable oral contract separate from the BB contracts. I.e., "You promised you would pay me 1/4 of $500,000 if you won, but you didn't expressedly limit that promise to a stipulation that you must actually recieve $500,000 from BB before you paid me, so pay up."

Second, he has mentioned various schemes where he wouldn't pay a share to another openly and directly, but get around the contractual ban through another transaction. I heard him say there is nothing stopping him from buying a shoe from another houseguest for the proper share of the winnings, or he would set up a corporation and fund it with the winnings, make everyone in on it equal shareholders, then desolve the corporation and split the assets equally. Both of these methods are clearly fraudulent. If you could get around contractual terms through such transparant means, contracts would be meaningless. Because Will has explicitly stated that these schemes are intended to get around the contractual ban, the hardest element to prove in fraud cases, intent to defraud, is fairly conclusively established.

I'm not worried about these sharing schemes messing up the game because no one appears to be seriously biting, and they couldn't get away with it anyway. I am concerned that Will keeps talking about it, the producers need to shut him up quick for the precise reason we are talking about it -- it tends to undermine our trust in the integrity and fairness of the game and thus our willingness to watch it. They need to have a lawyer watch the feeds and tell them they are screwing up.

George is a moron plain and simple. He - like so many others - is doing CT's work for them.

If anyone thinks George lowered his place on the eviction list with this Howie nomination, I couldn't disagree more. He just went to numero uno on several people's hit list.

If Howie goes home, Janie is going to be pissed. Her number one target is going to be George. If George hadn't offered them a deal, she might still go for Dani. But such a blatant betrayal is going to light fire under her ass.

James, Will and Mike can now nominate George and try to save Dani one more week and Janie won't care. She'll be thrilled if George walks and Dani stays.

The only person who probably won't nominate him is Dani.

Moron.

I disagree. I think George was so busy trying to save Erika and appease the house (aka Danielle) that he did the one thing he knew would make them happy other than putting up Janelle. The recaps show that he really couldn't care less about CT's opinion, so doing their dirty work for them, I think, is last on his list of things to do.

I think Janelle will still try to get Danielle out or (in what would be an awesome twist) she tries to strike up a deal with Danielle to go after CT. I would love to see Janelle and Danielle team up.

So the Coup is no longer an issue. Sure didn't play out the way CBS had hoped, I'm betting. Boogie didn't use it Thursday, didn't use it today and the third evictions it would be good for are the ones he's HOH for.

Yet another BB Flop.

Coup D'Etat is a flop, but I'm glad it is. It was way too powerful. Didn't want Boogie to win either of them, but I'm glad that unbalancing power was effectively cancelled out.

I am so done with this season's BB and the RealPlayer live feeds that are said to be blacked out until Sunday's show.

I just attempted to cancel my live feeds but Real SuperPass requires us to talk to a phone representative....being in California, I just missed the EST deadline for Friday. I'll have to rememebr to phone first thing tomorrow.

Kudos to the rest of you willing to slog through with the recapping. I will keep tabs through your efforts, but I am so tired of feeling ripped off by SuperPass....they blacked us out for weekends last season as well.

I guess Howie is gone and Janey bereft and alone. Boogie is HOH.... Janey is a goner and I basically hate the rest of the houseguests.

I hope the producers step up the game and start to seriously torment those vile people.

Friday, August 18, 2006
Boogie is Power(less)?

The following was sent to us a few minutes ago from one of our readers.


OK GIRL I HAVE SOME DISH FOR YOU. I CALLED CBS JUST NOW. I CALLED AND COMPLAINED ABOUT BOOGIE TALKING ABOUT HIS POWER. GUESS WHAT THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF IT AND THEIR LAWYERS ARE THERE NOW WORKING ON THIS. HE MAY NOT ONLY LOSE THE POWER HE MAY BE EVICTED FROM THE SHOW. YOU CAN QUOTE ME ON THIS. CBS IS SICK AND TIRED OF THEM TELLING CBS HOW TO RUN THE SHOW. WILL ACTING LIKE HE IS A PRODUCER. I WAS ALSO TOLD THE PHONES ARE RINGS OFF THE HOOK ON THIS MATTER.



this was on jokers

I would be rather surprised if that information was true. I can't imagine CBS ever admitting that there was anything wrong until a decision was actually made and the results executed. At best they would take the complaint and say "Thank you". It just sounds too much like what people would really love to hear. I know I would.

Booger has HoH? Huh? I'm amazed at how stupid these All-Stars are. Throw it you moron!

Do we know what the vote was on Howie's eviction?

I would love to see Boogie gone just to see how Will would handle it.

As best as I can tell, the vote was 3-2, with Janey and James voting to keep Howie. I'm not sure enough of it to stick it up at the top of the board, though.

So now they backdoor Janie. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. These people just make me sick. It would burn a hole in my stomach to watch them award the money to any of the people left in the house after Janie leaves. The CBS story sound so great but it's probably more like a marketing ploy to get the people who are pissed and about to stop watching to keep watching. I'm so sad. I'd like to get on my high horse of ethics and morality and commit to not watching the show anymore, but we all know that's not gonna happen. I'm weak and have no character.

OK, so I finally had some downtime at work today and was able to catch up with the recaps to the point where Janie and Howie were talking to George and he wasn't going to nom Janie and I was all "YEAH!", just don't nom Booger or fuckin Will or they'll use the super power. Right?

So, I come home and try to find what page I was on, and upon refreshing, I see Howie is nom'ed. I say to myself; "The mods at HT are getting high and it's a joke!" Right?

Then I read some more and I just have to say WTF? Seriously. I knew Chicken George was not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, sure he might eat candy thrown over the fence by complete and total strangers, but I did think he had some sort of loyalty, that he was basically who he presented himself to be -- some simple guy. HOWIE? The one person who has treated George with any sort of dignity? George you SUCK! And I hope you go out at the hands of Erika. You stupid, stupid, feather-brained, piece of shit.

And now Howie is gone!

From the recaps:



Yeah, George really too bad. You dumb ass motherfucker. I AM PISSED.

Regarding Will talking about spliting the money, I think he found a loophole. I don't think he has ANY plan of sticking with that, and has told BB that both he and they know that it is illegal and/or against the rules. BUT, he is using it as a strategy. Like, if anyone is so DUMB to believe this stupid splitting plan, then they deserve to be taken. I can just see him in the dairy room; "Dudes, we both know that can't happen, but WHY can't I use it as a way to use people? Where in the rule book does it say that I can't use the spliting of $$ to further my game. I'm telling you right now I won't do it because it's against the rules. BUT, if someone is dumb enough to buy it, why can't I sell it?"

Oh Howie!

My heart is broken. For a Jedi to turn on his Master. CG is now Chicken Vader to me.

Moved from recaps thread - gforce

Can I just say what the HELL? You go out to dinner and to grocery shop, come home...and all hell's broken loose!!!

Tell me, at least...that Chicken George is next to go....please!!!

Susie, that's exactly what I think Will is doing regarding splitting the money. If it works as a strategy, why not? It's not against the rules to talk about splitting the prize, it's only against the rules to DO it.

Now, I'm a Will fan, I'll admit that, but I like Janelle and James as well. Howie annoyed me to no end. I could care less about CG. But I seriously am starting to think I'm the only person that sees why George nominated Howie at the last second? I think he made a mistake in picking Howie over Janey but the fact remains that the two of them sat in the HOH this morning and LIED TO HIS FACE. And just before the veto ceremony, they got caught. I watched the feeds all morning/afternoon and I have no doubt that George was not putting up either of them, right down to the last few minutes we saw before flames with George & Boogie in the gym. Something went down that we didn't see in the Red Room while we were at Flames. Erika & Dani talked about it earlier right after the ceremony and then George, Erika & Dani talked about it again at the dinning room table about an hour or so ago. Boogie asked probing questions of some sort, Janey said something about how things went with Marcy getting nommed over George and George realized that Janey & Howie lied to him. I still think George is a moron for going for Howie over Janey, but damn, at least things were interesting today!

That would take a very mediocre season and make it fab-u-lous. But chances are REALLY slim. Janelle is now Will's Nicole, and that's as far as she'll get (not even F2, though).

Now is the point when the game usually gets intriguing, because those who vowed Final Four often start spinning off into different alliances and maneuvering to get closer to the end in various combinations. I don't know if that'll keep me interested, though. It's all so boring.

You know what I'd love?

To see Janey DOR tonight. Because:

1. It would f-up Will's and James' plans better than anything she can do while she's there. They are both counting on having her on their side and hiding behind her to get rid of Dani before F2.

2. If she makes F2, she's made a fool out of herself to get there. She's lost enough respect this season already. And if she makes F2 she may get beaten to a pulp anyway.

3. It would prove she and Howie (flawed though he is) had a real friendship, not just an alliance, and that she has, you know, real feelings (so she's not just a ho, which is how she comes across with Will).

4. Live feeds aside, if everyone who's watching sees both Howie and Janey go on Sunday, I think ratings will drop drastically . . . so much for DOOG TV.

5. It would be interesting to see SeeBS and Chenbot scramble to see how they explain it.

And finally,

I've always wanted to see someone do it and I think this is the perfect time.

I had the exact same response, and was all ready to blame Tsy for punking us!



Amen, sister.

I agree that something went down but, from what George said, it was that he found out that Howie told people that Kaysar said that CG said that he swore on his family that he'd vote for Kaysar to stay.

CG also gave the impression that he felt he owed others, who had helped him at various points in the game, and that Howie had not really helped him.

Janey and Howie didn't lie to CG in the HoH room. They did tell him they would vote Erika out and they did discuss possibly not holding true to the deal, but they decided to see who was nominated in place of James, first.

I can't decide what I would rather -- Erika sticking around long enough to be the cause of CG leaving or not having to see or hear Erika on the feeds anymore.

I agree with this, but that wasn't the lie I was referring to. Howie told George that he & Janey were the only ones that wanted to put up Marcy as the replacement nomination and that everyone else wanted CG up. George figured it out that the others went to Janey with the idea of putting up Marcy and that they had to convince Janey to do it. Janey slipped up in some way while they were all in the Red Room earlier. According to Dani & Erika, Janey said "they" assured her they had the votes to keep Marcy, otherwise, she would not have put him up. Which I assume George took as meaning that if she didn't want Marcy up, she was going to put him up and that it wasn't her & Howie who had the idea but CT & James.

But I could be totally off here, since we didn't see it on the feeds and I'm just putting together two conversations with Erika & Dani (plus CG during the second one.)

Yeah, I think Janey was up front with George-- first she told him he was probably going to be nommed, and when he wasn't, she didn't say anything about why or how it went down. Just that she was glad he was here, and thanks for being a good friend to Howie.

Janelle let George believe she had somehow saved him from the block, when all she did was think of him as a non-entity and allow others to pressure her into putting up Marcellus instead. George came groveling to her in thanks after she didn't nominate him, then CT later tried to set him straight about not nominating him being beause of THEM, not Janelle, who fought until the end to keep Marcellus off the block (and George up in his place). George's gratefulness was misplaced from the get-go, not that CT did for George anymore than Janelle did. I wouldn't be surprised if a slip-up by Janelle letting on that CT betrayed "the plan" to keep Marcellus caused George to reassess. Poor Howie got caught in the cross-hairs.

Janey never told George that she fought to keep him, and she didn't ask anything from him. He grovelled, and she said she was glad he was still there, and thanks for being a friend to Howie. She never asked for anything in exchange for not putting him up.

If he felt that she had lied to him or misled him, he probably would have nominated her, and not Howie.

I just can't get on board the "Poor Janelle" train. I loved Season Six in their actual season, maybe because they were the underdogs to that weird C®appy Cult. But this season, they played stupidly. Very stupidly. Their first noms should have been Chilltown. Boom! Will down. Boom! Bugger down. Period. They weren't. Chilltown is still in the house and getting stronger with every eviction, mostly due to stupid play from Season Six in general and Janelle in particular. Janelle has spent the last six weeks setting herself and her alliance up for tonight, with Dr. Palpatine whispering poisonous nothings in her ear the whole time. If Will wins the whole shebang (again!) he'll deserve every penny of it (again!).

And Howie! OMG...from what I can gather from the updates, he basically flamed out on nomination and eviction. Dude...you're (nominally) an adult human being. Can you at least TRY to control yourself enough to not make everyone in the house who isn't in your alliance worry about their safety?

The root of my opinion? Janie killed Season Six. Howie killed his own chances. End of story. All the talk of integrity and sportsmanship and blahblahcakes is misplaced.

jayjaybear, please get out of my head. I agree with it all and have been thinking much of the same, right from the used to love S6 sentiments, to the stupid decisions they've made, to Howie's reaction to being evicted. And this:
I most definitely agree with.

Thank GOD. I've been posting some not-so-flattering posts in the recap thread about Janelle. I felt bad for about half an hour, but I'm so over it. Janelle it just too stupid to live, and I think she needs to grow up. I felt Erika deserved to be upset about losing the HOH so suddenly, and I feel Janelle deserves to be upset for this for a little while, but Erika didn't do it to herself, and Janelle certainly did.

This season has actually made me go back and examine my Sovereign-Six-Love from last year. I'm thinking about their behavior after Kaysar was rebooted and realizing that the only thing that made me love them so much was that the Nerd Herd was even worse. Neither side, looked at with any amount of objectivity, was a particularly admirable example of human decency and maturity. (Look at Janelle's fight with Bo, at Howie's big blowout at April, at "Goodbye, Bitches!"...none of it's terribly mature or sportsmanlike)

True, jayjaybear, which is why I admire Danielle for continuing to remind people it's a game and not wanting to fall to that level. She's slipped a few times, but she's also realized it and pulled back. Erika, too. To me, it doesn't matter whether they genuinely feel the civility they show to their "enemies" like Janelle--they're being adult in a difficult situation and I can't fault either one of them for it. Whereas Janelle shut herself in the HOH and wanted to start a "war" because that worked last year, against different personalities.

For me, the reason I liked S6 last year was because their behavior was reactive. That is, the nerd herd pulled the first punches by being nasty to them. And, then of course, there was that little JBlo betraying her word to Kaysar thing that put me solidly in the hate nerd herd/love sovereign six camp. Generally, I really don't have a problem with people fighting back, even if they get nasty about it. To me, the bye bye bitches and all that was justified (I think the busto thing went too far though). The nerd herd, and especially JBlo deserved what they got because of the way they played.

On the other hand, the reason I keep saying that S6 is the nerd herd this year is because they are exhibiting a nastiness that was undeserved. Now it's war between the two sides. But, I stand firm in my belief that the war was caused by S6 and the way they played. The floater decimation was just plain stupid. And, this year its all Howie and Janie being nasty to the other side and calling them names and acting like it's THEIR house, and how dare people nominate them kind of thing. The SAME behavior as the nerd herd last year. Their behavior and nominations are all based on personal feelings and not on strategy. Janie being bitchy by trying to get rid of all the women. Howie being a complete ass to people like Nakomis. No reason for it, IMO. So, if Dani and the rest of the house end up saying a few mean things about S6, so be it. S6 deserves it this year just like the nerd herd deserved it last year. The "float herd" is reacting to the way S6 is playing the game. Who can blame them? And, for all the bad things I hear from Dani, I hear ten times as much from S6.

And, I'm not biased just because I actually like Dani. Like most people, I went into this year loving Season 6. There was no predislike on my part. But, I just can't believe how nasty they are this year. And, I'm not going to continue to carryover last year's love when they're behaving that way.

That's certainly nothing to feel bad about! Reap what you, uh, sow what you, eh, whatever.

I agree with the last few posts entirely, and I for one won't miss Howie for a second (thanks Georgie! You're all right.). This is a game, period. The only people playing, in my opinion, who even deserve to make it to the final 3 (at this point) are Danielle, James and Will -- because they are playing, and relatively well. As whiny and annoying as James is, at least he's playing balls out. Integrity, honesty and loyalty can bite me and have no place in this season. This is not the nerd herd vs. the slightly more likeable people. If this season is Good vs. Evil, then Evil will win, and I'm completely cool with that. Just as long as it's not the ineffectual or the sanctimonious or the people with the biggest sense of entitlement who lack perspective and a sense of humor about this whole stupid tv show.

In other words, CBS, please just go ahead and declare Will and Danielle the final two, since they'll probably never get there together otherwise.

Ohhhh I see.

Honestly, I don't think Howie lied. I think he was confused. Of course, he was talking so freakin' fast with George, it was hard to follow.

I'm not just trying to stick up for him. I really think he was mixing a bunch of different nomination times up.

Had Howie gone back on his promise to George, I would have been pissed... :P

Yeah, Howie did have a hand in saving CG and he's the one who got nominated. Last night, James even told him as much. In my opinion, if George was nominating one of them for that reason, it should have been Janelle.



I'm not so much a Janey lover. I do like her and I'm rooting for her, but I see her faults. I just feel her pain, right now. She's having a rough season. She's not the season 6 Janelle and she knows she's not making great decisions.

I do think Janelle is right to feel threatened by Erika and Danielle. They have backstabbed her from the get-go -- Danielle, literally, from day 1. I disagree that they've behaved decently. I think they've been vile. (Everyone's been vile, but within the context of the game. I just feel they, along with Boogie, James and Will, have been personally vindictive toward her.)

I agree that she should also feel more animosity, right now, toward George and Will. Unfortunately, as a girl who grew up close to boys because the girls hated her, she'll be harder on the women than the men.