I've been wondering if one of the twists could be that all HGs go to sequester, and vote in the F2.

Or maybe the Coup de'Etat is a returning HG can overthrow the new HoH? Or something like that.

Anyway. Hm.

The hamsters won't all go to sequester. The ones that have been evicted so far have been home, done interviews and generally been sour-pussing for whoever has a microphone in their faces.

I just can't imagine that James will survive the Pawn Curse. I bet it is:

Janelle: James
Howie: James
Erika: James
George: James (nullified)
Marcellas: James
Mike: James
Will: Kaysar (just to mix it up and split the CT vote)

Hee. And James is once again punished missing the point of the game about alliances. Jackass.

I won't disagree with any of this. You've articulated what I was to lazy to explain. For certain, James needed special treatment in that alliance if they wanted him wholly and fully to be part of it. Either they/ Janelle didn't fully want him (no kidding but she let him know that too early on), or it's purely bad people skills - again.

Have they all gone home so far? I hadn't seen any interviews so I assumed they had them sequestered for some reason.

Got any links?

There have been quite a few. If you look under the News & Rumors section at Joker's (I know, competing forum, but their news section is easy to navigate), you can find links to a lot of interviews from the evicted. Plus, Alison has blogged on her website a couple of times, and Diane posted a message to her website.

I don't think any of the evicted are in sequester, nor do I think any of the original 20 who didn't get into the house are in sequester. If someone is coming into the house, it'll probably be someone completely new (not evicted or not in the 20 semi-finalists). But more likely, I just don't think anyone's coming back or anyone new will be added. It's sort of "been there, done that." Plus, without anyone coming in, there won't be any need for double eviction weeks. I hated those last season, because it meant the feeds being down for hours and hours, and I suspect CBS/Real got a ton of complaints over that.

My bad, didn't do my research I guess. I don't check out any of the other recap sites, and I don't think I've ever seen a HG website. Personally, I'm glad there isn't a returning HG.

Thanks for the info all.

I'd be hard pressed to decide whether to vote for Nakomis or Kaysar in such a situation. Love em both for wildly different reasons.

I still wish Nakomis had teamed up with S6...now that would have been a force to be reckoned with...but seeing who she aligned herself with..ugh...I was so very disappointed.

It has become so common to vote an evicted houseguest back in, I wonder if they will do it again.

Not sure if it is ok to ask, but I'll be travelling Thursday with no internet and no tv...anyone willing to text the result to my cell phone?

Thanks so much...

I thought that Kaysar's brilliant floater plan, which included making a real or fake deal with CT was hatched by himself. And that he at first only shared this plan with Janey and Howie. James did not like Kaysar's nominations, and Kaysar responded with win HOH then. I do not blame Janelle at all for what has happened. Kaysar is the one who set this all in motion. I don't see why James thinks it was okay for Kaysar to do, but not Janelle. Also I wonder how much of putting up Jase was to placate Janelle. At that point, everyone wanted Jase gone, so it ended up being a pretty safe move for James.

I don't think anyone looks slimy if Kaysar gets evicted because Dani has made it clear she doesn't want to do it. But she wants to keep her word to Howie and in her mind (rightfully so) a Sov has to go. That leaves Kaysar. If he had been the one to hold on for all his might in that endurance competition - maybe he would be safe instead of Howie.

Also what is with all the outrage over the "floaters" being upset that S6 targeted them? Yes the HoH can do what they want and target whom they want, but they should expect to make some people upset along the way. It was the fact that those so called "leaches" felt safe and were throwing HoHs that kept S6 in power for so long. Once they no longer felt safe, they struck back. What horrible people!

And how is this any damn different than Janie and Howie's outrage that Dani dare target them instead of CT?



I'm sorry, but I must be watching a different show. Who the heck were the S6ers protecting floaters from? Considering S6 nominated and evicted 4 so called "floaters" I'm not sure I'd want their brand of protection. James or Howie pointed out somewhere along the way that the "floaters" would never go after CT because CT wasn't the ones evicting them - S6 was. So why is anyone so surprised that someone finally said enough is enough?

As far as I'm concerned Dani is the only "floater" so far that deserves to win this game. Now it's time to see if Erika, George or Marci have it in them to win or if they are just playing for sequester.

ETA: abak23's post reminded me that Operation Oracle was in fact Kaysar's baby. So if he is the one who pays the price for pissing off the floaters well I guess it's fair. I still don't want him to go, but I never liked his plan. This would be a totally different game if he had just gotten rid of Will in week 2.

Didn't James put up CG? Then I don't wanna hear him bitching about who *anyone* else puts up. Sheesh.

Beehoppy wrote (in two different posts):

Well said. Thanks for explaining the James dynamic so clearly. I agree, all along they should have treated him with kid gloves to ensure THEY were his primary alliance. They needed him. Just this morning Dani and Erika refused to believe that Kaysar didn't know Erika was going to be nominated. What a nice gift Janelle gave her alliance with that little surprise.


I’ve been thinking of that, too. Wouldn’t it be hysterical if Kaysar leaves, there’s another America’s Choice vote, and he’s put back in the house AGAIN??? Well, I’d find it hysterical. So many people ragged on him for having two chances last year, and now a third chance. A fourth chance! Hah!! It'd send some fans over the edge. I don't think he "deserves" that many chances, but he brings the pretty, so I'm all for it.


Hah!! I know. If I were in the floater's position. I'd be doing and feeling the same way they are. Of course they're going after S6. S6 did make some of them--Erika, Dani, Marcy--feel safe for three weeks, and some called those three the parachutes. Well, the parachute strings were burned to a crisp after last week, and it didn't have to be that way.

I haven't seen outrage over the floaters playing the game, just disgust at the lies, backstabbing, and unnecessary venom that they're engaging in as well.

Am I the only one who remembers Kaysar telling Janie to do just exactly that if she won HoH the week James did?

James might have whimped out but at least he nominated Will! There was at least the chance a CT person might have gone home that week. And if I remember right besides floating Marci as a replacement nominee (which Janie was never going to go for) he wanted to put up Mike. If Janie hadn't been more concerned about Jase coming after her - they could have broken CT.

And I have to say that while Jase blew any chance he had to stay that week by acting like a total ass - I think it really did bother James to backdoor him.

I don't care how they go about it - James and Janie are both playing for themselves. Which is totally ok.



Personally I have no problem with lies and backstabbing. Unnecessary venom sucks but I think most of the people in that house have engaged in it (certainly Janie and Howie have). I think George is the only one truely exempt from that.

But I think calling the "floaters" leaches and basically saying "How dare they bitch about S6's nomination!" is a little too much for me. Like I said, considering S6 targeted floaters for 4 weeks, those leaches have every right to complain and strike back.

So... I was reading the live feed recaps up until that post-Veto ceremony heartfelt exchange between Kay & Erika. I was all set to predict a crying jag on Erika's part the minute she sees Dani, but then MisterMorphine reminded me it was MY TURN to hit the supermarket and pick up dinner (rib steaks on the barbie - no not Janelle - that way HE'll say "you don't know how to do it right, let me you dumb fat bitch"... digressive tangent). So I get home with steaks, potatoes, sour cream, salad fixins' and tomatoes... and chocolate ROLO cones for dessert - and vodka (beer for old fat ass) of course... and what do I read in the recaps? ERIKA is on a crying jag in HoH with Dani! As fucking predicted! At least she's showing signs of life. Now if only lottery numbers were named Erika.

What I don't get is why Erika and Marcy are so in agreement with Dani about voting out Kaysar over James. It makes no sense to me.

In the first place, I'd ask Dani, "If you thought Kaysar was a better target than James, why didn't you put him on the block in the first place?"

And I'd really call into question her assertion that Kaysar is better at the comps than James! WTF??

I'd remember that Dani was talked about being James' "parachute" by pretty much the entire house, which would lead me to think she had some kind of agreement with him. Erika is already suspicious of James going for margarita parties and phone calls in the veto comp. She hasn't really taken her questions to their logical conclusions, though. She told Dani she thought JAMES was backdooring Kaysar. Huh?? James isn't the HOH, hon. Unless she's lying to Dani, which I'd love.

She's got them thinking Kaysar is the "leader" of S6 and not to be afraid of James, that he's someone they can "reel in" later. I'd be asking why she's so confident of that. The bigger question is what does James do for Dani that Kaysar won't do? Why aren't they asking that?

I really can't fault the Sovs for going after the "floaters", although I still maintain that the Season 5 group weren't floaters, and Alison was more UTR than floater. With the exception of Alislut, I think everyone the Sovs evicted would not have been throwing comps. And had the Sovs gone after ChillTown in the beginning it's very likely that either of the previously evicted hamsters would have won an HoH by now. If you woulda told me at the beginning of the season that we would get to week 5 before a Sov would be evicted I woulda taken that bet. So even tho it hasn't been pretty, they haven't done that bad.

The Sovs problems have been that they had to depend on James' loyalty. A part of me thinks they woulda been better off shutting James out from the very beginning. For one, he was throwing them under the bus from day one by giving up key conversation details and lying in order to rally the house against the Sovs. It's the same game he played last season and one of the reasons the house was so divided last year. Janey and Howie had better realize that James is their worst enemy at this point.

We knew that the first time the Sovs lost power two of them were going up, and we knew that is was likey going to be Kaysar and Janey. Can anybody honestly tell me that there was any way that this outcome could have been any different?

I think I made a bad assumption because I kind of thought Erika and Marci were in on the James as a pawn plan.

I kind of thought that would be their reason for evicting Janie or Kaysar - that they knew James had changed sides. If they don't know this, then yeah James might be in trouble. Sometimes I forget we know more than they do.

ETA:



I pretty much call them so-called floaters because I don't really think of the first 4 evictees as floaters at all. But the S6ers called them floaters so we do too. The truth is that if the S6ers had been smart they would have framed each of those evictions as taking out another alliance. If they had done that, the real floaters of the house might not have felt so threatened. Snooky is right - they all failed the PR game.

I don't think this could have ended up any differently for the Sovs. From the day that 4 of them walked into the house, they were a target. I think several of us said this would be a problem for them and I think James knew right away what the writing on the wall was going to be. That's why he always had one foot out the door.

On another note, I'm glad Kaysar is campaigning. I want to see him try and if he beats James, good for him!

Wow, I'm not sure what you expected the other folks in the house to do when S6 comes in 4 strong, knowing each other and ready to play together. The other HG's are still feeling each other out, getting to know one another and trying to figure out a strategy to keep themselves in play. They had to vote with the majority and HOH for the most part to keep alive.

Diane was part of the alliance they had formed (Dani, Erika and Diane) to try and work some people around to help get the numbers so the game would have better balance. S6 are no better than anyone else here. Kaysar is part of the group that has the numbers to run it right through the end after this week. One of the S6 has to leave, Janie got the veto, James is up, and Howie was promised safety for this week to drop off the web (his choice and left his alliance in jeopardy), only S6 left is Kaysar. Kaysar chose not to play in the veto which was extremely dumb on his part, he didn't have to use it, but then he would not be worrying today.

How can they be leeches? They made friends with some of the S6, and they happened to vote with them, so what? They're playing a game, a game to make it to the end and try to get 500K. Using your luck and the opportunities that come your way in the game are part of it, and S6 are no less opportunists than anyone else in the house.

I make no bones about it, Dani is my favourite player in this season as she was in S3, and I hope she finds a way to get rid of every single S6er in the game, then figure out how to rid herself of James and CT, and take either Marci or Erika to the end, so she has a real shot at winning this year.



Marcellus does know, he said to Dani last night that Janelle would freak if she knew what James was up to.

Merged double posts -- Mags

I find no fault in what they're doing. I just hate when they get pissed at others for doing exactly the same thing. And everyone in the house is guilty of that at one time or another. It's irritating and I had hoped that wouldn't be around this year with it being "All-Stars" and whatnot. I had hoped they'd just play the freaking game straight up.

oops. This isn't the live feed thread!

I don't see the behavior of the float herd as much different than Maggie's last season, but I guess there's a fan factor involved with returning HGs, which makes sense. I didn't really know Danielle or Marcellus from their season (I didn't watch S3), so I'm just judging based on what I've seen in this game.

S6 actually played hard and won HOHs. The float herders attached themselves to an established alliance and bled them dry until they'd outlived their usefulness.



I think she's sealed her fate much like she did in S3. She keeps trying to convince herself that she's playing a respectable game, crying her crocodile tears as she goes about scheming, plotting, lying, deceiving, spying, and leading the charge in her hate the vapid blonde campaign and she's deluded to the extent of thinking she's demonstrated respectful gamesmanship in the competition.

You know some might see things a tad bit differently. Some might say that S6 created a false sense of security with certain people so that the house would vote the way they wanted. Some might view Operation Oracle as a betrayl in and of itself. Some might even say that it was dirty (gasp!) for S6 to pretend like they intended to go after CT while cutting deals with them to get rid of everyone else first. Some might even go so far as to say that S6 tried to use (double gasp!) people like Marci, Dani and Erika believing them to be stupid enough to go after CT instead of themselves.

It's all in how you look at it you know.

ETA: Repeat post

The hypocrisy's a bit much isn't it? End result -- FH (float herd) outrage is selective and their ethics in the game is situational. If they resort to using a pawn, backdooring, or lying in the game it's because they were backed into a corner. They refuse to own the choices they've made that sully them in the same way they've accused S6ers of playing dirty.

Leech: Aka 'floater', someone who attaches themselves to those in power. The people they hate today will be the people they love tomorrow, depending on power shifts. They rarely step up to the plate, preferring instead to play from the somewhat safer confines of the shadows.

Player: Prefers to take on the game in a 'Heads up' fashion. They will almost always step out into the spotlight and actively play the game. They position themselves in an all or nothing situation, and are not afraid to publicly challenge any takers for control of the game.

All subplots aside (vote swinging, manipulation, social engineering, etc.) it is 2 very different core playing styles.

Some might say that when Scrubika and Marcellass have a conversation that starts "We were just supposed to be able to float by!" and are outraged that Diane was taken out - when at least one of them was planning on nominating her anyway - and are pissed at S6 for nominating Diane instead of Turd Town, when they themselves have a deal with Turd Town...well...some would say that's a bit much.

Anyway, reading the boards the past couple of days, things are starting to get a little...tense in tone, I guess is how I would put it.

Let's all just take a step back, agree that hamsters are all hippocrits, liars, and playing stupid, and go back to hating Booger and being contemptous of Kitchen "Lip Smacking" George.

PS James totally deserves to go home. Oh, and also, the floaters were just waiting for a chance to turn on S6 anyway, I wish they'd just admit that instead of fighting for the cause of St. Diane, patron saint of auto-living and being poor with $1200 worth of sunglasses.

You know, they're all playing the game - they just do it differently. And frankly I don't see anything wrong with the way Janelle has played - she's still in the game, so she's doing something right. I also don't fault Danielle for making a big bold move, even if James ends up going, I think she knew that was a possibility and was prepared for that possibility. Maybe it'll help her later on?

The only person I feel made a really bad move was Kaysar with the latest veto competition.

If he’d just made it super-duper extra clear to Janelle that while he wouldn’t promise to use the veto on her if he won it, he would indeed use it! And even if she was still on the block, they’d have the votes to keep her safe. If he had played for veto, both of them might be safe this week.

That's what message boards are for -- differing opinions and all...

I think it's possible to be a "player" without playing in a "heads up" fashion. Will for example is a total player.

I think it's also possible to lie low for a bit and then come on strong or come on strong and then lie low for a bit. That doesn't make a person a non-player - it just means they are playing a strategic game.




Actually I agree with you. I wasn't really trying to defend either of them - just Dani. I don't have much to say when people say thay can't stand her know-it-all attitude or anything like that. But I do think she's playing a good game and doesn't deserve to be bashed for daring to go against Janie or any of the other S6ers.

Thanks, uaintjak.

I seem to always find myself agreeing with you. I don't really care who lies and who votes who. That is part of the game. I just can't stand when people go all Maggie (act like they are so respectful when they are no better than anyone else) Just do like Monica or S3 Danielle and say it's awn!

We don't all have to like the same people. We just have to be respectful of each other's choices. In other words, don't hate the poster....hate the hamster!

I think "putting aside" things like social engineering (aka, coming out of HOH to hang out with people sometime over a MONTH) is one of the things S6 did wrong. Setting it "aside" to discuss their gameplay actually makes the point of why their gameplay was so flawed. Some would call it "heads up" while others may call it "unwise." It's not Fear Factor or Dog Eat Dog, shows that Janelle would dominate hand in fist.

There is more to this than sticking to your alliance, changing it when it suits you, and biatching at anyone who dares to try and break it up due to its numbers. And that is why Fanelle is headed out of the pond. She has such disdain for "leechers" and "floaters" because she can't even fathom that such a thing is viable gameplay. There is no gameplay to her, in other words, beyond the competitions. Her response to these challenges is to beat "them" in the next challenge. It's team fortress, and when their luck evens out, they're done. Their Chilltown liferaft will magically deflate itself when they most need it. Somehow I think that will be lauded as great gameplay, even though CT are the actual floaters now. But they're working for Janey, so they're not the Float Herd.

We're still the most civilized discussion board.

I just want to go home. What am I doing here? Can somebody please explain it to me?

Screw you Cami! I'm going to go Busto on your ass! And you lied to your whole fucking alliance of me, Sister Morphine, and Magpie! Now you're on Merlynn's side? Oh it's AWN!

PS - I agree with you, Merlynn, about Dani's gameplay. It's her attitude that I hate.

<flounces out of the room>

Well, the conversation taking place between S6 now just totally me took away any respect I had for them. Kaysar feels backstabbed! Oh boy! I wonder how Jase and Diane felt about what the 4 of you did to them. You guys even shook Jase's hand before you put the knife in. I hope Kaysar chokes on his sancitmonious bullshit and manages to puke all over that blonde floozie he's whining to.

Buuuuuuuurp.

Yep. That's us.


Wait, what the hell thread am I in? *looks around*

Right then.

I don't know about anyone else, but the brown color scheme of the downstairs is starting to grow on me. At first I thought it looked like the inside of the paper bags I used to light on fire and leave on people's doorsteps -- but now ... I don't know. It looks almost cool. Not that I would want that inside my house, but I don't mind watching it on the feeds.

Hah! This from the people who lied to me last season and then make me lie to Magpie and then aqain to Tooletta! BB is out to get me anyway look how they screwed up my nomination of Tsy and *throws furniture* they wanted Tsy to win so that's why they scripted the challenge that way isn't that right? Isn't that right and you know who is a fat bitch liar but I want to suck your ass soooo bad, Quickpick, but one of us has to shut up long enough to let me really really do it and I hate CT no I love CT no I hate CT anyone got any coffee or sugar 'cause I really need some now, okay? And didn't I do a great number on George and turn him into the great player he is now no?yes? No? Yes? No? Yes? I think I did. You? Yes? I think so.

Wow, OK then.

See, that last post was my nice way of saying let's stick to the thread topic.

I can't believe Sister Morphine just called me a weak player. I'm going to recap like it's my JOB now!

Heeeeeeeee!

Oops.

I'm like James. I have to have *special treatment* if you want me in your alliance. You are a weak player, Cami, you are, apparently, incapable of treating the likes of me and JAMES in the way we deserve. You must be a JANELLE$$$! Why can't you think of me and James?


(is this too couched?)

Tsy has spoken (and he's right!)...let's get back on topic, please. Thanks!

Sorry Mags & Tsy. I thought we were on topic but being "metaphoric"

*flounces off in a huff!*

I'm only able to half watch the feeds and half read the recapping today/this evening.....I saw george and dani go into the excercise room to talk and george was asking for a meeting of some sort but I caught it too late to hear the conversation..then about five minutes later I happened to catch marcellus and dani talking in the storeroom but by the time I switched to it the only thing I heard was marcellus say that was basically a bastardization of what he said....anyone capable of filling in any info on these conversations? No one appears to have caught it in the recaps

I didn't catch that on my feed, z_geist. Too bad, it sounds interesting.

It's kind of sad that Kaysar is so convinced he has George's vote and CT will keep him. I hope he's resigned to leave by the time Thursday comes around.

Or, that he's right. Though I almost prefer James to stay because he's a bit more interesting than Kaysar has been. And, I want to recap the fallout when he gets found out and called out.