Originally posted in the live feed recaps, but I like it so much I'm bringing it over here, too. I think this is a great guess, and very theme-appropriate, since the winner of the Coup will most likely hear those very words. *applauds*

Howie said he's 100% certain that he and Janey are going up...and, I think he's absolutely right. Who else would Erika out up???

Will was a doll-baby when he was little, but Boogie? Did anyone else pick up kind of a shortbus vibe from that photo of him as a 2- or 3-year old? That, to me, was creepier than watching Howie slowly follow around and pet the ewe. *shudder* They should have never removed the jackshack. DYKWIS?

Free The BB Sheep!


ETA: Thanks, Mags!

I totally agree.

Since it sounds like they were having issues during the last Veto comp as well - they might want to go back to using chalk boards.



I will start by saying that I don't think she will nominate Will, Mike or Dani. That leaves George, Marci, James, Howie and Janie to choose from.

I think Marci is her least likely nomination, but CT seems to want him out. So if she really sees herself as the third member of CT, she might go with him.

George is the next least likely nomination I think, but I can see her whimping out and putting him up.

That leaves Howie, James and Janie. I think this is her main pool to nominate since it's what everyone will expect. Janie will probably be the main target since she probably won't make nice with Erika. James definately will and if Howie doesn't decide to make her this season's busto - he might be able to make nice with her as well. So I guess it depends on if they want to try to backdoor Janie or not.

I'll co-sign that.

Did Julie say how many words were in the phrase? I can't remember and am too lazy right now to go check. (Sorry, just got back from my massage and I'm so relaxed I'm doin good to sit in a chair and type)

BTW, I'm not suprised in the least that HT will more than likely solve the Coup puzzle LONG before the HG's do, and we all have full-time lives invading our thought process. Okay, most of us do. Fine, SOME of us do. Alright, alright....2 of us do.....and 1 of them is lying. Satisfied? Ass.

LOL, totally caught that.

Anyway CT said that they want Marc out, but didn't they say they wanted Janie out first? We definitely know for certain Janey is going up. Howie is a very likely possibility of someone being put up next to her.

Here's the thing (RIP Kaysar) - if Howie is up for nomination with Janey, I think it would be awesome if Howie won veto and took Janey off, because they don't really want Howie gone. That way, he has a fighting chance of whoever goes up next to him. I just really want to see their faces if Janelle is safe for another week :P I could totally see Howie sacrificing himself for her, though.

They won't even need to backdoor Janey, because she can't play for Veto this week. Her only hope if she was nominated would be for Howie to win Veto, which though possible is not likely. It will be interesting to see what CT wants Erika to do, since it's doubtful she can make a decision on her on.

Of course, the Coup can also save Janey...almost forgot about that!

If Janey is nominated, which I think is 100% guaranteed, you can bet the other seat will be occupied by Howie, so him winning veto wouldn't help her, either.

Oh hey. Just occured to me. The deal is that no one knows what the coup power is, and only the winner will know on Thursday.

Let's think about this for a second. Let's say you win the power but DONT need to use it next Thursday. Do you realise the power you have??? You, and you alone, basically control the entire house, lock stock and barrel, for the next 2 weeks.

No one can nom you, no one can backdoor you, no one will even blink at you wrong if they know you have the power to put them up with NO chance of coming off the block or even campaigning.

The best part is all you have to do is explain the power you have, flash an evil grin, and go zone-out for the next 2 weeks. Heheh...I love it.

I forgot about that. I bet Will and Dani don't.

The houseguests don't know what the power of the Coup is, and I think only a couple of them have good enough vocabularies to figure it out. One of them is Will. I'm sure he's also capable of figuring out the clues. So will the good doctor who so rarely likes to be in power go for the Coup?



Ok I think I misunderstood this a little when Julie announced it (little girl didn't think I needed information about the Coup). There is only 1 Coup contest this week? And it can be used for up to three weeks? Is that right?

A couple of weeks ago I would have said no, but tonight he seemed to be disappointed when he got his question wrong and was out of the competition. So who knows.

This is a reason why I DON'T think Janelle will win this power, because her vocabulary sucks.


Edited to remove emoticon - emoticons make Tsylyst go ballistic. - Gryn

LOL. I wonder how many of them know a female sheep is called an Ewe.

Of course, anyone who does crossword puzzles would know.

What will really suck is if they are ALL too dim to figure it out, so we never get to see what kind of chaos it could cause. Dammit, I want to see some Marcy hysterics!

Let's face it, Janelle is toast this week.

She can't play veto, and Howie will be up next to her, even if a miracle happened and he won it.

Howie and Janelle are both smart in certain areas, but word games are NOT those areas. They aren't going to win the Coup.

I'm taking the week off.

Thats right. Way it sounded was everyone gets 1 guess. No one will know what the power is or who won it until Thursday. Winner will probably be pulled aside and told right before eviction, as Julie also said only the winner would be told what the power is.

They can use the power any of the next 3 evictions.

Does anyone think Dani's "Do Not Assume" is correct?

I don't think so but her logic isn't 100% faulty. I guess.

Anyway, what phrases start with or contain the would You? So far we've come up with "You are the next head of household" and "You have been evicted from the Big Brother house."

I was thinking something like "You now have a chance to say something to your housemates" but I'm not sure Julie says it the same way every week.

A big NO on the 'Do not assume' guess, but I sure hope Dani tried it.


'You are the new head of household' seems to be the sure thing at this point. Especially considering the power the coup grants you. We have the advantage of knowing what the Coup does, but simply knowing that the sheep is a 'ewe', and knowing the definition of Coup, could give a HG an early correct guess.


ETA: Erika has been listening to the HoH door and reporting that she can't hear them redecorating it. Any chance that means they are 'reviewing the tapes' on the comp??

Question: Do the Hammies know that Coup is the name of the contest? I honestly can't remember if the Chenbot told them that.

I'm not sure what they can do at this point. Unless Erika was the last to buzz in on the question Howie should have gotten right, I don't think they'll take it away from her.

If they were going to do anything, they should have thrown that question out, let Howie stay in and kept going. Now I have no idea what the remedy would be.

Maybe they could give Howie an automatic Veto this week since he was wronged?



I want to say yes, but have they talked about it yet on the feeds? I'm sure someone will ask what it means if she did give them the name.

Julie (to us): "We're about to tell the HGs about a BB first. One HG could win extraordinary power. We call it the Coup d'Etat, and here's how it works. In any of the next 3 eviction episodes, the winner of the Coup d'Etat will have the ability to overthrow the HoH, AND replace nominations on the spot right before voting takes place. But the twist is no one, except the winner of this power, will know what it is until the power is used. Who will win it? Be sure to tune in Sunday and Tuesday at 8 o'clock to watch the HG compete for this unique priviledge. And I'll be back 1 week from tonight to reveal who has won the Coup d'Etat, and to find out if it is used. blahblahblahbuy the feedsblahblahblah"


Juile: "HG. I have an announcement to make. Beginning tonight, there is a NEW power up for grabs, that could completely change the course of the game. But only the person who WINS it will know what it is. And it will remain a secret to everyone, until it is used. Here's how you can win this power. Over the next few days, you will be given clues to a well-known phrase that applies to the BB game. Once you think you know what the phrase is, you will disclose your answer in the privacy of the DR. The first person to answer correctly will win this power, and could make BB history by shaking up the game like never before. But be carefull, you will only be given one chance to give your answer. So please be 100% sure. The winner will find out who they are, and just exactly what this power is, 1 week from tonight. Everyone....your first clue is waiting for you inside the house."

StepChylde, you rock. Thanks. I can't wait to hear the incorrect guesses on the show. You know they'll show them all.

I don't think the HoH competition is going to be too much of a controversy. As someone said, Janey got her question wrong. Boogie didn't win it, so whether he was eliminated with Janey or when he did, it has the same outcome.

When I think about Howie's problem with the button, I think about Jeopardy. When I used to watch that show, I saw people trying to buzz in all the time, hitting that button over and over and the light never came up. I think on Jeopardy, they used to buzz in too soon or something and then there was this "cooldown" of a second or two that prevented them from hitting the buzzer again. It seems like that's a common equipment issue. Or, maybe he didn't press hard enough, who knows. But, if anyone actually delves into it, that's probably what they'll come up with. I don't think Howie would have won it anyway. But, I can see why it would make the HG's upset. It sucks for Janey and Howie. But, with the coup and everything they still have a chance.

And, ya know, I would have *never* guessed "ewe." You guys am smart!

I like this guess, too!

Brought over from live recap thread.

I just finished giving some feedback to CBS.com. I'm not crazy about Howie but I think He should have a fair chance in the game. I told them I didn't like them fixing the outcome. I wish everyone would send feedback. It probably wouldn't do any good but it makes me feel better.

What about "ewe" are safe.

I don't have an opinion about what CBS might or might not do and you guys are way smarter than me. It's nice to listen in while you all work all the possible and potential angles, though.

The prob with the Boog not showing up is that they let it go, but required Howie to answer. Inconsistant.

With the Jeopardy analogy, you are correct. They had to wait until the answer was COMPLETELY given before the buzzer worked, or went 'live'. Doesn't look like that was the case with this comp. (No Hammie has suggested that he buzzed in too early)

As far as this being a 'common equipment issue' is incorrect. I'm an Industrial Electrician, I wire up switches, relays, timers, PLCs (Programable Logic Controllers), etc for a living. It is quite easy to have millisecond (actually better than that) response times and multiple simultainious inputs. In other words, its very easy to take 'instant' buzz-ins and to take more than one at a time. Sounds to me like the need to fire the technical crew, I could have wired and programmed that comp for about $500 in parts (and $300 of that being for the PLC) lol.


ETA: Just thought I'd throw some technical information into the discussion, whether it helps or not is still to be seen lol.

This is from the recaps. I can't believe they are going to do this. It's unfair to Erika unless they make it a co-HoH.

It's also unfair if they redo the whole thing. Some people were eliminated properly. For example, Janie got her question wrong! She should definately not be allowed to compete in a redo.

CBS might very well get more complaints with this redo then if they just left things alone.

I kinda agree, a complete redo gives those that legitimatly lost a second chance. But the 'equipment was flawed, therefore the whole comp is flawed' logic isn't too far off.

Look at it this way, what if the very 1st person that lost wasn't really the slowest due to the faulty buttons? What if that person being out somehow affected Janeys mindset? She could argue that them being out freaked her out mentally. (It's a stretch, but it could be argued). It's the whole 'buttefly effect' scenario.

No way. That doesn't work for me. She got her question wrong plain and simple. I don't believe for a minute she would throw a competition, but I don't think BB should make any allowances for those who do. She should not be allowed to compete again - period.

I think they should pick it up from when Howie went out unless they can review the tapes and prove that the buzzers were off on every single question. And even if they can do that, I still don't think anyone who got a question wrong (and this includes Will) should be allowed to compete again.

ETA: No explaination for faulty equipment is going to cover CBS's ass if Erika doesn't have some kind of co-HoH. Otherwise it just looks like CBS didn't like the winner so they did a redo. Even if it's not true - that is going to be how it appears to most people. If something was going to be done, it should have been done immediately - in the live show.

My first thought, before they brought in the sheep/ewe:

Ewe keep your friends close, and your enemies closer

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I don't think Erika should be co-HoH. I feel very strongly that she did not win. There is absolutely no way to tell who won because the equipment was failing.

I do agree that anyone who answered questions incorrectly should be out. As much as I would like to argue the psychological point of view here, I don't see a way to truly justify (based on fact) that those people have the right to re-play.

I do have a bit of experience with working with lock-out systems (that is to say, the buzzer systems used in trivia competitions) through my experience playing quiz bowl in high school and college. The cheapest commercially available buzzer systems most often used by high school and college teams are extremely temperamental and prone to malfunction (or, at least, that's been my experience in eight years of participation). Would it surprise me if CBS were trying to do this on the cheap? Not really. Granted, I'm sure they're not using a ten-year old system that had been abused by a decade of high school students fidgeting with the buzzers, but still, equipment failures can happen, and I know I've been on a team that lost a game due to a judge's inability to correctly clear the system between questions.

Ok, so...here's the thing.

I don't really care who wins HoH Part Deux. I don't really care the technical wrangling that occurs, or if Scrubika gets automatic immunity, or co-HoH, or whatever.

I'm just glad that BB FINALLY admits to a mistake, and this is one on live tv, so they couldn't dodge the bullet.

I understand people will be upset if Janelle wins the second comp - she probably won't, but on the off chance she does, people will be screaming bloody murder. But honestly, if the contest was flawed, it was flawed, and you have to have a do-over (of some sort) from the beginning. I'd like to think I'd say the same thing if that scumsucking leech Marcellass had been the one to benefit from a second chance.

I can hear the screams now if Janelle wins the HoH Part Deux, but you know, I don't give a crap. The first competition was poorly executed, and as far as I'm concerned, BB deserves to suffer for it. PB BABY, PB!!!

I'm very curious what they're going to do now. On the one hand, it's seems fair to redo the competition. On the other hand, I think anyone who legitimately lost their turn shouldn't be allowed to compete in the redo, like Janelle or Will. Even the people who legitimately buzzed in last probably shouldn't be allowed. Or, perhaps at the very least nobody after the round Boogie didn't light up. I suppose an argument could be made that the first round that went wrong had a domino affect on every other round.

Erm, edited because the last sentence made absolutely no sense the first time I wrote it.

I'm not sure of the legalities, but it may not be an option for BB to just do a partial redo, it may be all or nothing.

Once they redo ANY of the comp they are admitting that the event was technically flawed. Once they do that, it may leave open too many legal issues regarding who can and can't play in a partial redo, forcing them to void the entire thing. For instance, what do you do with Boog? He never registered an answer, do they assume he would have go it right and let him go again, or do they assume he would have gotten it wrong and keep him out. If they let him replay, with 'no' answer, then it could be argued that a wrong answer has to be allowed to redo as well.

Whether or not she should replay (I don't think she should btw) might be a mute point. It's all about CYA for CBS now.

BTW, there is precedent on redoing comps. There were 2 vetos that were completely redone last year alone (per James/Janey/Howie). Only difference is this is the first live comp that was flawed.

Oh I know!

Trust me, if they give her a chance to play, I'll be hoping for a Janey or Howie win just to see the looks on the other people's faces.

I just don't know if I can feel, deep down inside, that it's fair for Janey to play....but, hey, it's just a game, right? ;)

Boobie was saying he was having trouble with his equipment, too. So, a complete redo is probably in order. So long as everyone has the same shot, I think it's fair enough.

I really hope they let us watch in on the feeds, but I suppose that's too much to ask. Still.

Great point!

I hadn't thought about that.

I'm sure this is a problem for boogie quite often.

(sorry! couldn't resist!)

I don't know what rules CBS has to follow, but I just don't think it's fair to let someone who got a question wrong compete again. The problem is people buzzing in and it not registering. That has nothing to do with people answering a question wrong.

Heck at this point I think they should just void the whole damn HoH. Let the hammies compete for Veto and then after that let America vote for two people to nominate. That probably gives Janie an advantage, but it avoids the perception that things are being rigged by CBS.

Erika just confirmed it, it's a complete redo. Allison told her that the entire comp is null and void. She is rather pissy atm that Janey gets to compete again.

I would pay good money (not my money, but I would pay alot of someone elses money) to see the look on Dani/Erikas face if Janey wins HoH the second time around. Holy hell, that would make for some GREAT mental anguish for the rest of the week. We might even FINALLY get to see the fabled DOR take place. BWAH!!

So long as everyone else is competing under the same circumstances, I don't see how a redo is unfair. The first competition is void, so another one is needed. I think it's the only solution that makes sense.

ETA: HoH isn't going to matter as much as the Coup de'Etat this week anyway, I don't think. And I hate to say it, but I have a feeling Danielle might have figured that out already.

Off the current topic, as of right now, but has Julie ever called out another player that bluntly to someone just getting out of the house? Sure, I have seen her hint, suggest, and even ask questions that were worth thinking about. But, this time she just flat out told Kaysar what a rat James is/was.

I felt a little sorry for Kaysar, but then felt really sorry for Janie due to what she said in her good-bye speech to Kaysar about how She, James and Howie were going to come back and fight for justice.

edited to replace Kaysar with Howie in last sentence.

I don't think Dani's guess is correct. Someone else speculated about the sheep being an ewe. That makes sense and the phrase "you are the new head of household" would be appropriate given that the coup holder can instantly renominate. Or maybe "you have the power to nominate..." There are so many possibilities that it could be most anything if the ewe part is right. What an opportunity to manipulate the results if CBS wanted to play dirty. No one would ever know!

I'm liking the new snarky evil ChenBot. They should have programed her to do that bout 6 years ago imo. ChenBot v7.0 rules! Well, at least the new 'interview module' rules. Her 'visual recognition' and 'thought processing' software needs tons of work still.

Obviously different people are going to see it differently. I guess it's a fair arguement to say that if the competition was void, it should be a complete do-over. But there are all sorts of examples of competitions where technical difficulties arise and do-overs are not done.

Personally I just don't see how letting people who got questions wrong compete again is fair. It gives them a second chance when they legitimately lost. I get that Howie was wronged, but I don't know if this was the right solution.

Big Brother has to avoid the perception of rigging the event which is why they want to give Howie a second shot - but a Janie win will make them look bad as well.

Yes. I know she called out Danielle and Jason's alliance when Amy got evicted (the second time) and Amy had no clue. Julie didn't call out the nasty things Danielle said, though, just that Jason and Danielle were in a secret alliance.


I'd have to say, though, that this kind of trivia contest doesn't particularly favor Howie or Janelle. I'd be surprised if Janelle won it, and mildly shocked if Howie did. Do you think they'll redo the same competition with new questions, or bring up an entirely new HOH game to replace it?

I don't think it will make them look bad, unless Janey wins because someone else's buzzer doesn't work.

Speaking of which (segue!), I guess a buzzer came in with the sheep, which doesn't quite work with Dani's Coup'de Etat guess. I'm lost as to what it means, but if Dani blew her one guess, I'm happy with that.

A buzzer came in with the sheep? I missed that entirely.

ETA: Are you referring to Wills "All we have is a buzzer and a sheep" comment? I think he was just commenting on the busted HoH comp.

Dani's guess is probably wrong and I'm not sure why she answered what she did. Her answer seems to be based on the sheep being the only clue.

I don't think it's wrong to answer after only one clue because you could get it right, but you have to assume there will be other clues and work that into your guess. Or so I would think.