I share that ambivalence, can you tell? I want James around because I love hating his tantrums and his motormouthing. At the same time I can't wait to see him leave and see his over the top reaction to Julie Chenbot, CBS Morning and Housecalls.

I think Julie will give him a hard time in his interviews, too. She won't let him get away with much.

Anyone else notice that we haven't been cmmenting in the house analysis threads that the hamsters are whiny, boring, or spoiled? Things are looking up!

Good point but it seems, this week anyway, everyone BUT Chilltown has been the entertainment. I know, it can change and probably will.

I'm so torn on this James/Kaysar nomination. I like Kaysar - I really do. And putting James up was so risky, Dani almost deserves for it to backfire. But James staying will just make for a more interesting show.

I mean if Kaysar stays it will pretty much be Kaysar/Janie/Howie against Dani/Marci/Erika with CT laughing their asses off in the middle and everyone forgetting George is even there (at least for a couple of weeks).

Without Kaysar, it will be a mix/match of alliances and backstabbing. Will Mike and Will work with Janie/Howie or James/Dani. Will Erika be with CT or Dani/Marci? Will James try to keep playing double agent with Janie/Howie and Dani? Will George's presense ever matter?

For entertainment value, I have to say I hope Kaysar goes. But let me just say damn Dani and her stupid morals because if a Sov had to go - I was hoping it was Howie.

Not sure who the recapper was for the convo between Boogie/Will in the weight room but they missed the beginning of the strategy talk. They're going to Marci and CG to say their putting up Dani (after they tell Dani their plan) to see how fast the news gets back to her. Boogie trusts Dani because she has had what's been going down pegged and she's honest. I hope they follow through on their plan to work with her ( I think Mike is convinced he has a chance against Dani in the F2 he won't have with Will).

Edited to add: it also looks like they're voting out Kaysar (but who knows with these 2 gonads).

first, i hope this is the right thread to post this... if this is the wrong thread, i apologize in advance
second, please no one say mean things to me about posting it :)

i got this bulletin on myspace from scarah and wanted to share. hope someone wants to read it. i thought it was pretty interesting.

Aug 7, 2006 7:05 PM

Subject My views on James's game play

Body: Well hello all,

First off I don't get on here to much but know that when I do get a chance I do read every comment and email sent my way. I try to respond to as many as possible but I find myself repeating myself in every email so here is my response to many of the questions I am getting...

I love the way James is playing this year! Thank you to everyone who is leaving comments on his game play (good and bad) I like to hear other peoples points of views. Know that I will never delete a comment about game play, you are welcome to your opinions. Dee this means you better not be deleting them either to try to stop me from seeing anything, I'm a big girl I can take it.
But to those of you who think James is playing dirty, have you forgotten what show you are watching? James said it best before his nominations "Big Brother is not a team sport!" There is only one winner and I hope that winner is my boyfriend.

James said weeks ago he felt it was his responsiblity to keep Janelle safe, that is why he put up Jase. Janelle has done nothing to show she is playing for anyone but herself.

I love Janie, and will continue to be friends with her and the rest of the S6 for a long time to come. As for what James said about her personally; you try living in that house for even one day and see what it does to you. Even Alison has apoligized for her comments, and said it was just the heat of the momment. That does not mean what he said was okay, and I am sure he will feel horrible about it in the future.

For those of you bashing James himself. James is the most wonderful man I have ever known. He has shown me more love then I could ever hope for. Watch for crossed fingers or my purple sash, and you will see what I mean. A comment from James on the live feeds today, "If I go home this week I will be fine because I get to go home to Sarah." I truely am the luckiest girl alive to have him in my life.

So inconclusion, and if you are still reading this, I am so very proud of James, and the way he is playing. I think he has a great chance at winning, but even if he doesn't we will live happily ever after and that is all that matters to either one of us.

I have an idea for the new HoH comp. It is much like how they had someone come back in BB5(?).

I think they should put the hamsters in seperate rooms. Give them a paddle with everyones name on it, and say, "who do you think should be the next HoH, you cannot vote for yourself." Then they have to raise the paddle of who they think should be HoH. Whoever has the most votes wins.

If they really want to be cruel, the next week, for a cool twist, BB could do the same thing and have the one with the fewest votes win, and of course not tell them the lowest votes wins.

It would work for 2 HoH's because the next time they do it, the hamsters will again think highest vote wins.

With the exception of James, S6 is making the error of sticking with their original alliance, whether that is working or not. Janey never has any strategery talks with CG, Dani or Erika. She makes things personal (Diane hates me -- must evict her).

Kaysar. thinking it would "betray" his alliance, doesn't even consider making a deal with Dani to stay. Kaysar is trying to play with honor and integrity. This is great in real life -- extremely naive in a game such as BB. He wanted to make the floaters take a stand. Well, they have -- against S6.

I think the interesting thing that I notice about the dynamics of this season is that nobody recognizes that every single player is, essentially, playing an identical or similar game to the one they had already played.

GEORGE: He doesn't scheme. What you see is what you get. Also, he likes acting like a clown during the live shows.

WILL: Cut fake deals with everyone. Throws competitions. Tries to create a war of attrition between the two factions in the house and play both sides down the middle. Wins because he's been consistent.

MIKE: Goes Amber-ing after Will as his right hand man. His strategizing is more towards drawing attention to himself than it is the game.

MARCELLAS: Makes alliances primarily based upon the physical attractiveness of the teammate. Acts fickle and petty and plays far too emotionally.

DANIELLE: Constantly scheming, trying to turn the house against people, while convincing everyone that she's their friend. Prone to crowing about her own cleverness. This season, I think she's at least conscious that she needs to not have people leaving the house thinking she's a big ol' bitch.

ERIKA: Hides under the radar unless it's absolutely necessary that she wins. Her game seems to have changed most... last time, she was subtle, this time, she's resenting the fact that she's not being allowed to coast.

JANELLE: Bulldozer/kamikaze style play. She doesn't play nice (with women). Her game depends on dominating competitions and working over the men. She doesn't play a particularly jury-friendly style, meaning she's either loved or hated.

KAYSAR: Cares all about honor; he's smart, but not willing to be quite as cutthroat as he needs to be.

HOWIE: Honest, loyal, but not a schemer. Dependent on others to scheme for him.

JAMES: Like Janelle, he plays for second place because he doesn't play in a style that lends itself to actually winning over a jury. He's ultimately too paranoid, makes too many deals, and spends any alliance with his thumb hovering over the ejector button.

Excellent analysis, Sardonic!

Good job, Sardonic. You nailed all of them.

I'm surprised I don't feel worse about Kaysar leaving. I think it's because he's really proven this time that this game is just not for him. I didn't really think it suited him last year, but thought he might have learned from his mistakes. I would love to see him and James as a two-person team on Amazing Race. That type of game would suit Kaysar. A lot of people wanted him on it (and CBS I think considered it) but then when the All-Star idea came about, they decided to save him for All-Stars (educated guess here). Too bad, in a way. He was never an "all star" BB player.

Agreed, Snooky. Kaysar made bad decisions that got him evicted not once, but twice, during season six. He was voted back into the house last season with 82% of America's vote because the show's editing didn't show him being dense with his strategy making. When he's HOH, he goes all nuts with the power and doesn't let his team in on what he's thinking. He refuses to take his game to the next level because he thinks he is on a moral high ground.

Kaysar's main problem is that he doesn't see all the angles. He focuses on one possible outcome of a series of actions and proceeds as if that's the only way the chain of events can play out. And his tunnel-vision is going to be his undoing again.

I'm not sure that the hamsters are blind to the fact that everyone is playing the same game that they have played before. I think they all realize that and are overcompensating with trying to spread themselves too thin. Aside from George, I'd be surprised if any of them could at this moment list off all the deals they have made, or at least tried to make.

HOH after HOH it has seemed like whoever was in power was trying to move all the chess pieces at once. Dani as much admitted to Kaysar last night that she had screwed up and that she couldn't remember who all she had made deals with, but she knew she hadn't made one with him so that's why he was going up.

You know what the Sov 6 is missing this season? Rachel. She served as their voice of reason and rationality. She kept them calmed down and focused. They don't have that this season, and it shows.

Kaysar is a reasonably intelligent, predominantly honest, physically attractive player from an underrepresented minority group. Strategywise, he's not even in the same ballpark as someone like Will or Danielle. I agree that TAR seems to fit his strengths better than this show. Similarly, I think Danielle would be better suited for Survivor.

Actually, I don't think ANYONE on season six truly was a phenomenal player. Ivette's too emotional to play well. Maggie's gameplay wasn't based so much on strategy as it was enforcing the Stockholm Syndrome, keeping the cult loyal, bouncing Ivette and April off each other the same way that Drew played Diane and Cowboy, and being slightly less of a bitch than Ivette. Janelle has shown that she's not good at the social game (she isolates herself, and doesn't endear herself to other women). James makes too many deals out of paranoia and then panics. Any chance Sarah might have had was shot to hell by memories of Rob and Amber.

Actually, don't laugh, but do you know who I actually thought was an underrated player last season? April. Aside from the cult ties, and the pathological lying, she was really setting herself up as lesser of two evils. She actually took the time to treat Janelle and Rachel like actual human beings, and that could EASILY have made the difference. True, James and Howie had not an ounce of respect for her, but I absolutely believe if she had won that last veto, she'd have been the BB6 champion.

I gotta say, watching Danielle explain the first week to a truly bewildered George, as he sits there like a wide-eyed innocent baby, was one of my favorite moments for some weird reason. It was evil meets innocence and some reaaaaally wacked out bedfellows made by the game.

He knew people were trying to get him to vote one way or another, but he seemingly hadn't the slightest clue about things that were old news 20 or more days ago. Deliciously bizarre!

I don't think CBS cast All-Stars for great players alone. I think they cast it for All-Star personalities too.

I think there are some All-Stars still in that house but there are certainly people who don't deserve to be there right now (Marci! Erika!). I feel like Kaysar was a good choice because I think he is capable of playing the game well - he just won't let himself do it. It's a shame. I was pretty sure we saw back in week 2 that Kaysar wasn't going to be able to control Will or beat him, but I was hoping I was wrong.

I the recaps.. someone mentioned that James got his call from Sara.. and this was quoted..

Now isnt this a bit odd? Did Sara just break the rules and tell James not to trust the Dr? Has anyone seen anything more about this anywhere?

ETA never mind.. someone just explained that it was a joke James was playing on Will..
carry on..

Completely agree. I didn't mean to suggest that being a 'floater' meant that you weren't also playing. They are all 'players' simply due to the fact they are in the house. I guess I should have used 'PLAYER' in the defs, to differentiate from the generic 'player' term.

Here's how I would group the house:

PLAYER: Janey, Howie, Kaysar, Jase, Nakomis (Plays 'Heads-Up'. Will likely stay with one primary alliance, even in times of strife)

Floater: Erika, Diane, Marci, Will, Boogi, George (Actively allows others to take lead. Will likely be in ALL alliances at one time or another.)

Floater/PLAYER: Dani, James, Alison (See themselves as PLAYERS, but primarily float, as in they will follow the power shifts. Prefers others to do 'dirty work')

I'd also break down the 'floaters into 3 categories:

ACTIVE Floaters: Will, Boogie (They float, but also cause situations that allow them to do so. VERY active manipulation. Dani/James/Alison also fit into this category, I left them out because they WILL actively pursue power....Will/Boogie probably wont)

INACTIVE Floaters: Diane, Marci, Erika (They float, but they just ride free on the tides of change. No significant active manipulation)

Pets: George (Just seem happy to be in the house, NO active manipulation at all)

All are legitimate playing styles, and all are quite capable of working. Yes, even 'pets'.

Also, all styles will cross over from time to time. I'm just outlineing how I see each CORE playing style.

StepChylde Cool breakdown. It seems like the house has defined floaters as having no obvious alliance which I don't know that I agree with.

Personally I'd probably break-down the house a little differently.

Up-front Player: Janie and Kaysar. Nak and Jase probably would have been this way too, but I didn't get a chance to know them. These people win HoHs, Veto comps, save themselves, come up with strategic plans, etc....

Behind-the-Scenes Player: Will. He's playing everyone, manipulating everything but I can't say he floats to power because power means nothing to him. He finds ways to have influence over the house without ever being in power.

Blended Player: Dani and James. I think Dani wants to be a total Will, but she isn't in the position to get away with it so she has to do a little Up-Front play. James also isn't in the position to go totally behind-the-scenes. He has to stay up-front a little but he will throw competitions when he thinks he can get away with it. Allison probably would have ended up in this position as well. I don't think she was going to get away with a "floater" role this season.

Floater: Erika and Marci. I guess we'd have to call Diane a floater though she was really bad at it since she never made any in-roads with S6. I'm tempted to invent a catagory for whiney people who hope to tag along because of their hardluck stories just for her.

Cheerleader: Howie and Mike. Both are actually pretty loyal to their alliance but I'm not sure they bring much to the table. And even if one of them does win an HoH, they probably won't be making any of the decisions.

Pet: there probably is no better way to describe George.

Actually, it seems we see the house the same way, albeit different terms. I included Boog/Howie where I did because thats the role they would put themselves in and are attempting to play, although I agree, I'm not sure they bring much to the table.

I also don't agree with the house definition of floater. Will/Boog are good examples of where that doesn't fit.

They more closely resemble mascots. Yeah, I know, mascots are cheerleaders too. Except mascots are clownish and are more easily made fun of because they need to be the center of attention.

Also, I will always love my Sovs but reading the feeds is really beginning to frustrate me. Kaysar said it himself that James is doing the same shit he was doing last year (double-dealing, giving up info), so when they have a Jedi Council and James walks in what do they do? Keep talking strategy and bashing other houseguests. I wish Yapril's Clue would walk in there and knock the dog shit out of them. As long as they keep James in the know, the Sovs days are numbered...

*sigh*

*And punches James in the throat*

I like that! I think we can even move George in that catagory. We have three mascots in the house - Howie represents the good of Kaysar and Janie, Mike represents the "evil" of Dani, Will and James, and George represents the ugly - I mean floaters - of Marci and Erika. This works really well for me.

Anyway, do we think Kaysar believes James might be useful to Janie and Howie after he is gone and that's why he still includes him? James might be the only person in that house with any intention of taking down CT (I don't believe he wants both of them in the house) so maybe Kaysar thinks James will be useful for that reason.

Is this the appropriate place to punch the HoH Floatherd in their collective throats?

Just sayin.

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I agree. I never hated April like I did Maggie, either. She seemed more lost than conniving, just wanting to be liked. She yapped constantly, but toward the end, I could see she really liked hanging with Janelle, too, doing pedicures and stuff. I don't think she was as mean as Ivette.

Heh. Good times. But only if we can also spank the S6ers for playing a shit-tastic game so far.

Considering the emphasis on Will and Janelle's flirting the last couple of weeks, I feel the need to repost this post I made on June 20, shortly after the 20 semi-finalists were announced:



Okay, the Kaysar part didn't come true, and Will and Janelle haven't technically hooked up, but I think it's close enough for me to feel vaguely triumphant. Heh.

While watching "Rock Star: Supernova" this evening (what? Toby and Ryan are hot!) they showed an ad for Thursday show, which went along the lines of...


"Is the Big Brother house haunted? Find out Thursday when the ghosts of Big Brother past come to haunt the houseguests!" with shots of the hamsters waking up in terror and screaming.


Now, an ex-boyfriend of mine is friends with Scott from Season 5, and he has been sequestered for several weeks and not able to speak about it. Take this all with a grain of salt because my ex can be a bit of the drama queen.

Please, Reality Gods, bring me back my hawt Roddy love!!

p.s. Please stop shaving guys. It's one of the things that makes you MEN!! sheesh!!

Early on Will said that Nicole had been contacted to do something for the game. It's possible that they will bring in former houseguests for a couple of days like they did the Survivor people in season two to compete against them for prizes.

It's also possible this could be related to the Coup. Former houseguests come in and overthrow the current HoH and the house has to work them over to see who gets nominated?

In the live feed recaps.... Erica screaming cause she saw Alison in a mirror..... could this be a set up by the producers....I say this because I saw the lead in after the show tonight saying something about the house being haunted..........which could explain it





eta...forever already through it out there....

I have also heard something similar about *groans* Maggie. Then again, without her entourage, Maggie wouldn't be quite so awful. Plus it would be fun watching James shit a brick.

Okay, how does this sound for a twist: 10 houseguests in the house vs. 10 outside of the house (four evicted, plus the six that didn't make the cut) in some form of competition, where possibly one or more of those outside can make their way in?

I'm watching Kaysar work Georgie, and boy does he suck. Kaysar really hasn't a clue how to play this game, and with this story he's trying to tell George his hotness is sorely waning on me.

and people say Dani is sanctimonius...

I'm going to change the subject for a minute to say how much I am loving this week's America's Poll featuring the origina; Nerd Herd.
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"Why are these people crying?
a)Someone was evicted.
b)Someone had a death in the family. (you would think with the way they are carrying on!)
c)Janelle got a phone call.

OMG!
Not only can you win $10,000, once again we get to see the Nerd Herd at their very petty best.
It's like the gift that keeps on giving!
Thanks CBS!

Wow! They're sequestering people that won't have a chance to win the game? Can you even imagine that? They ask you to come back, but you can't win, you won't get much screen time, and you have to be sequestered for weeks beforehand? I really hope the payoff is BIG!

And if they really are bringing back people, then I hope Nicole and Hardy are in on it. Maybe Monica too? Those three coming back to play with or against Will and Mike would be a lot of fun!

ETA: And Rock Star: Supernova is the best show on TV - you can be proud you watch it! Unlike another show I also love, but rarely admit I watch...

If Jun got $500,000 for being somewhat less appalling than Alison, then I think some lucky viewer out in TV-land deserves $10K for remembering why those bitches sucked.

That was, bar none, the funniest thing I've seen this season.

The Love 'Em or Leave 'Em Poll results on CBS.com are interesting - because the numbers are so low. Kaysar is at 46%, Janelle is at 20% and Will is at 10% - and all the rest range from 0-5%. Ouch!

Wasn't Janelle at 80% last year? I fully expect Will to keep moving up - but I'm baffled by the low scores for so many of the hamsters. It appears America may not love the All-Stars after all. Or maybe America just loves to hate them, and votes accordingly?

The format of the polling is different this year. You used to be able to rate each player from 1-10. But now you just vote for one as your favorite. So it's not that Janelle has a 20% approval rating, it's that 20% of the people taking the poll have her as their most favorite houseguest.

This is so cool. I said I wish the house was haunted and now it is!!

CBS luuuurves me.

Ooooo, maybe it will take me on a whole bunch of expensive trips to exotic places.

And I won't even give it a blowjob or anything. I'll just be the "den mother."

Like Janey. (Right.)

Kaysar's finally catching on to the float heard's leech-like tendencies. It's likely too late in the game to help him, but I'm relieved that he's finally taken his blinders off, especially in relation to the Danielle/James dynamic.

I agree it's too late in the game to help him, but I also think it's more a revelation of convenience than anything else. He's got nothing to lose and can toss his cards in to the other Sov3 completely, now that his campaigning has gone awry and he's able to see the score. That score was built against his alliance while they walled off in HOH, of course, but neither Kaysar nor Janelle were complaining when certain floaters helped pick off their enemies in the trivia elimination challenge.

And of course it's okay to work with the floaters Chilltown, but the floaters they're after are dishonorable because they haven't taken sides? They did take sides KK, with you in the comp (actions > words), and your crew took action as well (nomming E). The infamous question! Who Made Who?

Kaysar is so obnoxious. Whenever he campaigns for a vote, he comes across as bullying and entitled, while trying to appear humble, which adds up to insincere. I hope he goes home; he's tedious.

LOL See I thought the reason they didn't go after Marci was because Janie liked having him around - you know the guy she ranked above Kaysar in her little protection list.

Maybe if they had gone after Marci when James wanted to, James might not have bailed on the good ship S6 so soon.

Futhuremore, if they had kept Jase in the game they might have flipped Diane (that is of course if Janie could get over the fact that Diane was coming after her) and made a tentative alliance with two people who would have gone for HoHs and can probably be trusted a hell of a lot more than CT. But you know, then Janie might have lost her play buddies - Marci and Will.

I wonder if Kaysar will ever realize that he might have been in a very different situation if he hadn't played a game that mostly benefited Janie.

I hope this the right place to post this:

Nice. Just as long as none of them get any ideas about staying around.

Thanks, Lallybelle!

I wonder what they are talking about regarding the clues that the Hammies are supposed to have received this week. I admit I haven't read today's live feed recaps (stupid work), so maybe the answer is in there. As of this morning, all I'd read about were ghostly faces appearing in mirrors and such.

Anyway...yay, twist!!

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Ultimately, if they'd bailed on James and never welcomed him back into the fold, they wouldn't have had to Band-Aid a shaky alliance. James revealed how shady he was last season and he was swiftly booted out by two opposing camps. He was so repugnant a competitor that enemy camps came together to oust the malignant tumor that is James.

Had Kaysar listened to Janelle and approved of nominating Danielle for eviction, (instead of trying to appease James who'd already switched allegiances) he'd possibly still be in the game.

I'm going to hell for this...but I loved watching Danielle suffer in solitary.
In the game all is fair. Lie, cheat, stab in the back whatever...but don't be self-righteous about.
And Dani is the slef-righteous Queen. SO wonderful to watch her fume as the Veto board was revealed, realizing that everyone was playing for themselves. She tried to get the phone call...clearly she was 'playing for herself'.

After all these years I still worship Will. He knows how to play this game better than anyone. Trying to get Marcellus nominated because he realizes that S6 needs to stay in the house to keep the target off themselves. I was hoping the puppet-master still had enough of his chops to get it done but Danielle wouldn't fall for it.

LOL and what a huge mistake it was! Howie couldn't understand the number game that Dani keeps talking about this season. Maggie did. Going after the "malignant tumor" that was James wasn't about coming together in a truce to get out a horrible double agent. It was about Maggie tricking Howie into saving her alliance. Howie was a moron.




We were all reasonably sure that once an endurance competition came around someone other than a Sov was going to win. Diane, Dani, Erika makes little difference.

But look back at all the moves the S6ers made and ask who on that team benefited the most by them. The answer pretty much comes back as Janie. As many have argued, a person can play for their team and still advance their personal game. Janie did that - Kaysar did not. His moves help her far more than they helped him. If that gets him evicted then I'm not going to feel bad for him.

Uh...I don't really remember thinking that someone other than an S6 would necessarily win an endurance comp. In S6, Kaysar nearly won, James went 11 hours, and Howie gave it a good go this time-round. I never would have put money on Scrubika getting so far.

I don't think the Sov's evictions benefitted Janelle any more than it did anyone else in that group. Janelle was always target number one, so you could argue that she benefited the most, I guess - but it's not like the others suffered. Kaysar dropped in priority against Turd Town after nominating Diane and Nakomis, for instance.

If anything, I'd say James benefitted the most, because no matter who got evicted, he went around to everyone and spun it like "they" were the ones who were evil and did everything.

The obvious answer to why all the moves benefitted Janey most is simple. It's mainly due to the fact that pretty much EVERYONE was after Janey. Pretty much any HG going would have benefitted her most. (Although I do agree her main targets were removed)

What baffles me is why Kay doesn't point out the obvious to CT. The reason James is so pissed at Janey, and willing to double-cross her, is because of her 'bonehead noms' last week, as he is so fond of saying over and over to whomever will listen.

So heres the convo I would have with CT....."If James thinks Janeys noms were so stupid, then who do you think he REALLY wanted her to go after??? Um...that would be you guys CT. Thats why he is so pissed, cause Janey wouldn't take you two out. We've shown time and again that our targets are the floaters....and now that they have banded together and come after us, even more so. So either leave James and the giant float herd...who WILL come after you next, or leave me and sit back while we fight it out."

Then go and point out to KG once again that it was JAMES who wanted KG out, it was JAMES who threw such a fit when KG got veto, and it is JAMES who STILL wants KG out as soon as possible. Offer him immunity, something he WONT get from James.

Freaking spell it out Kay....don't just hint and be all wishywashy. Otherwise your ass is going home, and rightly so.

Here! Here! I am so with you on that Step. Kay is just so much of a deep thinker that he seems to forget that you can't present things to everyone on that type of level. There are times you have to "s-p-e-l-l -i-t- o-u-t!"

Interesting to me that the minute Janie says to Will how surprised she is that James isn't full out campaigning to stay - and nervousing as one would expect from what we know of James BB6 - we see James has made a transformation and is miraculously panic attack BB6 James again? And they don't even notice? I guess there is still time left in the day... I seriously thought Janie and Kay were smarter than they are showing us this year. It's half way through and they've not yet figured out they need to test the trust issues they have with CT & James? Feed them some made up info and see what happens with it. I mean Geezus, you don't have to be a brain surgeon, ya know?

At least I give Dani some props for testing CT with this vote to find out where CT's loyalty is by telling them to vote the way they think is best for them. I personally just wish Kay & Janie had done that a week ago with CT & James.

I wish, though, I had seen the actual conversation between Dani & CT when they were asking her how she wanted the vote to swing, as the Black Widow has a way with wording thing to make people 'think' she's saying one thing (i.e. "do what you think is best for you,") when in all actuality she is influencing them to do her bidding (i.e. "do what is best for you, I want to see where your loyalty lies"). To me, the latter isn't testing anyone at all. It's making a clear statement that if you "f" me, it's AWN.

I probably made my statement based mostly on people talking about how Diane would be hard to beat in an endurance competition. I never saw her season so I'm going just on what I've read.

My main point was that getting rid of Diane or Dani didn't matter because when it comes down to it - Erika looked like she wasn't going to lose to anyone unless she wanted to so it was a given the Sovs were going to lose that one.

I think it was probably a given the Sovs would lose one once people stopped throwing them because that define and dismiss game could have easily been won by someone other than Janie.

My point is that eventually a non-Sov was going to win HoH so why not team up with someone who might win an HoH and protect you instead of people who will throw every competition except the luxery ones? I just think a two or three week deal with Jase and Diane would have made more sense than throwing their chips in with CT (who to my great amusement have both sides saying, come on guys you need to win an HoH - lol yeah right!).

But my post was mostly in reference to Kaysar bitching that they protected Marci and now they want him gone. Well why did they protect Marci? For the same reason they went after Jase and Diane. Because of Janie. I'm sorry but I think James saw one person getting her enemies out of the house even though those people might have been allies for the rest of the alliance and he decided to bail. He might have been smart to do so. Since people like Jase and Dani have talked about wanting to work with Kaysar, he might have been smart to create his own back-up plan but he played for the "team" while certain team members were playing for themselves (and it wasn't just James).