Will Kaysar really be backdoored? Will anyone call bullshit on Marcellas? Will Will will himself to care?

More importantly, will you?

Kaysar is toast. I'm calling it.

Which is dumb, in my opinion. Looking at Kaysar and James, I'd be much more afraid of James. He's a turncloak, and everyone knows it (except S6, of course, and even they suspect). If he's not loyal to his alliance, why on earth would Scrubika or Marcellass think he'd be safe for them to keep around? Plus, he can be a monster in competitions, and seriously, have you even seen Marcellass or Scrubika? I mean, yay, Scrubbie does Pilates, but so what? She broke a rib when she got hugged for Christ's sake.

Kaysar, in 2 seasons, won only 2 competitions, and he has the added hindrance of being honest. I'd feel a lot safer keeping him around than James.

I'm a new poster here, and am really disheartened that Kaysar is going home. He, Howie, and Janey are my faves. I HATE that James is backstabbing them. I don't think I can bring myself to watch after these three are gone. I just don't like any of these other people. Anyway, I'm just a upset BB6 fan.

People, people, people........
We have the Incredibly Industrious and Devious "Dr. Evil" in the house.....
ANYTHING is possible!

Depending on who Dani puts up.....James could very well go this week I'd love that!
Hell, Dani might not even put up Kaysar as a replacement!
OK, she probably will put him up.....

But there are soooo many variables that can influence her choice, and HG's votes. Do these hammies honestly not get that part?!? Things change every second!

Kaysar, Dude, this is NOT chess! Stop comparing the two! you can't plan 4 moves ahead here.
CRAZY PEOPLE are playing this game!

If you want to keep comparing it to chess, at least compare it to this:
Chess in the park, playing against a homeless, schizophrenic guy--- who's off of his meds....he's a MENSA member.... and he's wearing a soiled, heavy olive green parka (with a furry hooded collar), who has a rat in his pocket named "Booger".

That would be a MUCH better analogy. Check and Mate.

Anyway, let's check with the Judges' tally sheets for this week, shall we?

Poorly executed nomination plan by over-confident HoH? Check.
Putting up your alliance member as a pawn? Check.
Pawn choosing a crappy margarita party instead of winning PoV (idiot!)? Check.
Your main target winning PoV because HoH and pawn completely fucked up? Check....and check.
Believing you actually have an alliance/understanding with DrEvil and the 'Cool Kid' Progeria Boy, Igor (*snort!!!*)? Check.

Believing a SSA between Dani and James won't be discovered by the Sov3 ....creating a HUGE backlash and a tidal wave of fury and housewide distrust with ppl calling out everyone's alliances and parachute alliances? (ala Jase) *rolls eyes at their naivete*. Check.

Not realizing that Will really IS the Puppet Master (it's week FIVE and he's not even being considered for veto nomination!!)? Check.

Well, there's a quick look at the Judge's marks for now....

The Thing is....... Well, you'll have to tune in to find out more.
It is what it is....
Who will throw who(m) under the bus next?
That's how the cookie crumbles.....
Dani better work this like it's her job (jahb).......
What the hell are we putting into the cosmos?

No, I do not have an "alliance" with HamsterTime....
....we just have an "understanding".

But, first, let me go to the DR so I can check the tapes to see if HT actually SAID "yes" to this understanding.

Exactly! I can't imagine Will ever going out on a limb to save someone, but in this case who would he alienate? No one. Not even Danielle would be that upset since she really likes Kaysar.

All Will has to do is make sure Janelle and Howie know he's ready to flip, then get Boogie to leak the news to Erika, and boom! Five hamsters voting James out - so even with his Nullify a Vote Pass and Super Secret Alliance with the HOH, James is still gone.

I don't think Will really cares who goes - but when it comes down to it I don't think he liked James very much, and if he's got a chance to shake up the game and make "good TV" without personally making any enemies, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he'll do exactly that. Kaysar's not a lost cause yet.

Am I the only one who sort of agrees with James? I'll admit that I didn't like him last season but I think he's much better now. Janelle was an idiot putting up Diane, she even got me mad when she helped Boogie win the freaking PoV. James actually did what was best for the alliance. I wanted Janelle to go but if not her then I am crossing my fingers *crosses fingers* that Dani will put up ChillTown. All my votes, however worhtless they may be, belong to Howie and James.

I think this plan is plausible, but it might be more effective using Marcellas rather than Erika. All that would need to happen is someone sticking the bug in Marcy's ear that James tried to get him nominated. Can you imagine Marcy taking that bit of news well? Geez, S6, take a page from Dani's playbook and work this.

As usual, I could be wrong about the outcome of things. But, since I'm a Dani fan I'm going to put a different spin on this week's events.

I think Dani would be wise, and will put up Kaysar. She may like Kaysar as a person, but she's here to play the game. As far as Kaysar and James go, it may be true that James is a bigger individual threat. And, if it was based solely on that, I would probably get rid of James, too. However, Dani can see the bigger picture, and knows that collectively, Janelle, Kaysar, and Howie are a much bigger threat than James is by himself. She's going to push to evict Kaysar because she knows that she's much safer with him out of the house. With Kaysar gone, Howie's not a threat in Thursdays HoH, James won't go after Dani, so the only way Dani will actually be put on the block is if Janelle wins HoH. Yes, Janelle is great at competitions. But, that's just one person. Odds are in Dani's favor someone besides Janelle will win.

As for trusting Chilltown: I agree, they aren't to be trusted. But, when Will goes against the crowd in his diary room, he only does it to stir up trouble. I don't understand why everybody in the house feels that they have to vote with the crowd. Aren't these diary rooms a secret? Even if somebody suspects you of voting one way, all you have to do is deny it. Will knows this. And, I think that, for example, when he voted last week to keep Diane, he wasn't voting because he wanted to keep Diane. He was voting that way because he was hoping somewhere it would cause conflict between other people in the house, thereby keeping himself secret. His hope is that other people's suspicions of other people would cause fractures in relationships. He may seem like he's just "crazy," but he's doing it for a reason. Will may act it, but he's far from stupid.

Now, the reason I think Chilltown will evict Kaysar is because they, like Dani, realize their chances of staying in the game are greater with James in there still gunning after Janelle. Will threw out random votes in the past because he knew they wouldn't actually affect who went home, he just wanted to cause trouble. But, I think when he knows that his vote will have an effect, and he knows what the best outcome is for him, he will vote the way Dani wants him to vote this week, and Kaysar will be gone. Just like Dani, I like Kaysar. But, the dominance of S6 has to stop. If the "floaters" and Chilltown don't see this, then they deserve to lose. But, I'm pretty sure they're smart enough to know that Kaysar must go this week.

Sentiment abounds that Dr. Will and the Boogerman are the saviors of the Sov3. Every time I see this kind of stuff, the cockles of my cold little heart get warm. Sure, I couldn't give a rat's ass if they run out the floaters or not, they probably will! Yet they can't do it without casualties and Woogie will be there to pick up whatever pieces they need.

Enjoying these flashbacks to "Hardy is using him for votes! He'll dump his ass whenever" When Sovs abandoned the truce evictions and used their bull-meets-china-shop approach to take out hard targets exclusively, they built the stage on which Woogie now dances for all to admire.

I say Dr. STFU is now Dr. SOS. Save Our Sovs!

Danielle's smart to look at the numbers. I think some decisions she's made may bite her in the ass - she's sending home a person who had her back as much as he could given his alliance. He still says he wouldn't go after her if he stayed. It's not a good thing to send someone home who wouldn't put you on the block and keep people in who would, but looking at the numbers she's making a good strategic choice. I think her biggest mistake this week was promising Howie safety. He was about to drop from the net anyway.

Kaysar has made mistakes, and he's seriously clueless about a lot of the machinations around him; he's probably just not cut out for the game. Last night, he had a chance to scumbag other people and pledge his troth to Danielle in exchange for not being put up on the block. It may have worked, since I honestly think she'd love a chance for a final 2 or 3 deal with him. But he couldn't bring himself to do it. That's both admirable and annoying. I can see where he's gone wrong, but basically he's going home this week because the HOH painted herself into a corner and he's not willing to do "whatever it takes" to stay in the game.

No matter who's right and wrong, it depresses me to see Kaysar go just like it depressed me last year. He's been moody and has held back a lot, but I like watching the guy on the feeds, period. I'm a sucker for the pretty. I really do think highly of him for not backstabbing or trashtalking even though I'm otherwise very pragmatic about the game. Basically, it sucks but I'll probably get my life back after Thursday night. Much to my surprise, I'll be rooting for Dr. Will. How the hell did that happen?

As far as Danielle's concerned: I adored her in Season 3, mostly because I hated Roddy. Seeing her pull the same demonizing the enemy thing on Janelle, who I like, is no fun. Listening to her pontificate for hours on end to the whole house is annoying. But if she wins she deserves it.

I think it could easily go either way, but I think Kaysar will be the one evicted if he goes up.

If Will wants to make DOOG TV then yes, spilling everything to the Sovs about James's betrayal would be his move.

But if Will wants to play to win (and I think he does) then evicting Kaysar is his best move. That pretty much gives him a final 4 with James/Dani and Howie/Janie. I don't think he cares much about Erika but he'll drag her along if it works out that way.

Getting rid of Kaysar breaks up the Sovs in a way that getting rid of James doesn't. It also eliminates probably the only person in the house that could beat Will in a final 2 vote. He might not get a chance to get rid of Kaysar later. But more than anything, getting Kaysar out generally gives Will more influence over the house.

I think Will gains more by evicting Kaysar than he does by evicting James.

Yeah, I think I started liking Danielle a lot because of Roddy. I thought she was right. Roddy was da debil! He was a master manipulator. I think he even manipulated himself into thinking that he was right about what he was doing and saying. At any rate, like I said in an earlier post, I don't see Danielle demonizing the S6 like she demonized Roddy. I think she respects the way they're playing and would genuinely like these people out of the house. (edited to clarify that she would like these people when the game is over, is what I meant even though she probably would like the people to leave the house as well. ha!)

On the other hand, I feel about S6 the same way you feel about Danielle. I loved them all last year. But, this year, their bizarre "floater" strategy to try to make the game a house divided makes no sense at all. And, I see them doing a lot more trash talking (especially Janelle and Howie), than I see Danielle doing. To me, even though I still like these guys and would not be upset if any of the four of them won, they're acting way more like the nerd herd than the floaters are. The game is not all about winning the competitions and trying to make people "pick a side." It's a lot more subtle than that. Every season prior to season 6 (and Season 1) was a game about manipulation. Danielle knows how to play that game, as does Will. Season 6 has no clue how to play that way and is doing what they know, which is "house divided." And, when I say manipulation, I don't think that's a bad thing. People manipulate people in games all the time. I manipulate people in poker by bluffing. Big Brother is just on a grander scale.

I think Danielle gets a bad reputation for no good reason. She plays honorably and tries extremely hard to not go back on her word. She's also the only one who has had the guts to take any risks in this game. Kaysar may claim to be "protecting the house." But, nominating floaters isn't the way. Danielle, while looking out for herself, is the one who is actually taking a stand and making it possible for other people besides S6 to actually play and win the game. She's taking one for the team by making herself a huge target, way more than Kaysar has this season.

Dani made a good move targetting S6 this week, and putting up Kaysar as a replacement nom is the best choice for her.

That she feels she has to justify her play by demonizing her targets is unfortunate, and kind of sickening. Her smug self-righteousness about it all is very Maggie.

So we have the Jedi and the Nerd Herd all over again. I wish we could count on CT to shake up this dynamic, but for all their big talk, they've never managed anything beyond voting contrary to expectation (Nakomis, Diane) when it didn't make a bit of difference in the game.

I never had a huge investment in S6 winning the game, but it's depressing to see the exact same dynamic in play again. Up till now individual personalities, game play, and agendas were making the game interesting. Now I see a coalition of laziness, spite, cowardice, insecurity, hypocrisy, and malice brought together by a savvy manipulator of the hive mind. Again.

Just give Maggie-- oops, Dani-- the money now. Or surprise me, human nature! I dare you.

I'm honestly not sure what would be best for Will's game here. Because if James stays, then Danielle has him, Marcellas, Erika, and George in her corner. I do think he and Boogie have been hesitant about letting her become too powerful. So for that reason, I could see them wanting to shake up her game by taking away her right-hand man. Add to that, the fact that they know James has pushed to have them up on the block, and their inherent need to fuck up peoples' plans, and they might want to flip the vote and throw out the pawn. Danielle would totally deserve it for being so dumb as to put James up in the first place.

OTOH, booting Kaysar leaves Janelle and Howie as basically a single pair, which seemed to be what Will was angling for back during Janelle's HoH. They vote out Kaysar, out James' scheming, scoop up Janelle and Howie, and they've got people who will take on Danielle/James for them, all while they get to sit back and watch.

I'd rather they dump James just because I'd find it funnier. But I'm okay with either of them leaving really.

I think S6 is playing "their" game. It's what they know, us against them, a house divided, etc. I think they are so different as people that it may be the only way for them to band together, via the "common enemy" mentality.

It's not working this season because there are too many enemies and they're certainly not "common".

I think in Will's perfect world, they will create a battle between Janie and Dani for a few weeks with neither of them actually getting evicted. It would be both DOOG TV and protect CT while they watch from the sidelines.

Even if Will and Boobie decide to vote for James to be evicted, it's still a tie, and Danielle decides.

I also kind of think that, faced with the inevitably of Kaysar leaving, that Howie and Janelle might vote with the majority to placate James.

It's really a shame that Howie didn't try to bring Chicken George into the fold when he had a chance-- that might have made all the difference. James' targetting of CG during his HoH week kind of made that difficult, though.

re: scripting

I think what I mean by scripting is exactly what you described, Merlynn. (ETA It was Snooky. Oops) Maybe it's a different word I want.

Things like this seem like scripting to me:

"making" Marcellas give the slop pass to George
Prompting in the DR for good sound bytes and shots
Hinting certain things in the DR to get a hamster to take some action
Types of competitions and rewards that mesh with personalities, strength, and weaknesses
Manipulating the order, timing, and context of events from the live feeds for the TV show
Helping or hurting the hamsters by suggesting ways to dress and act during ceremonies and the live show

Stuff like that. None of that bothers me at all, I kind of like it. I imagine how it must be to wade through all the possibilites and craft a show out of it. Even if I don't like the way things are edited, I still thinnk it's cool that they can do it. I can see on the feeds what happened, many times, and compare.

I guess it's more like a social game on several levels at once- between the hamsters, the TV public, the feedsters, the producers, etc.

I just got really bored when all they were doing was sitting around bitching and waiting for competitions. There was too much time in between strategy sessions for me- none of the hamsters were really new to me. In other seasons, I could be watching a character develop during the dull times. These characters are already pretty well set, so there have to be some changes: a faster pace to the game, more twists, etc.

I'll proofread later....

I really think it would be in Will's best interest to make sure James goes. James is playing the same game as him, and James is a true wild card that he has NO control over. Will could get Kay to promise anything he wants right now.
If James goes, then Will and Boogies could gaurantee themselves protection next week with the team that is most likely to win HOH. They do need Kayser out, but he would be much easier to get out later then James would be.

I agree with the idea behind your posts, but I'm not sure Kaysar will promise anyone more than he is willing to give - otherwise he would have done it with Dani.

I also don't think Kaysar will be easier to get out later than James. I think it would be easy for Will to turn the house against James - not so much with Kaysar. This may very well be the only chance he gets to get Kaysar out.

I think for Will - Kaysar is the better eviction but I have no idea what he's going to do this week. That's part of the fun that is Will.

PuffTrinket, I think you're responding to something Snooky posted (not sure, but I don't think it was me).

Few questions.

1. Is the veto ceremony today?
2. Anyone got the latest ratings figures for the show?

How can Will make sure James goes?

Will could influence Booger, tell Janelle and Howie about James's double-dipping, and then try and swing Scrubika, Marcellass, or Kitchen George.

I actually think Kitchen George would be the hardest to swing. Scrubika is "protecting" Turd Town, so Will has that angle, and he only has to tell Marcellass that James was pushing for a Marcellass eviction.

If Will really wanted to, he could probably swing the votes. I just doubt he wants to.

I beleive the VETO ceremony is today.

Try this for ratings:

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/

Thanks heaps for that.

Oh, I see. I thought I was missing something with my vote count as it stands now.

I'd love to see Will shake up the game, but I agree, I don't think he really wants to. And it would be tough, even for him. George won't go back on his word to Danielle, Scrubika is doing whatever whoever is in power wants-- Marcellass is the best bet, I think, but I don't think he'll listen to Will, if only because it's in his best interest not to, at this point.

But if Will could pull something like that off, I could be a fan again. I miss the sound of his violins.

I notice that the veto ceremony today is a LOT earlier than it usually is.

Could the coup be coming sooner rather than later?????????

The veto ceremony is actually late, I think. It would normally be Sunday, but because Dani was in solitary, they rescheduled.


I agree with this. James was a wus on his original noms, but when push (and he was pushed!) came to shove, he did what was good for S6, while targeting someone everyone could see as a house problem (Jase). And he finessed (and had "understandings" with) other housemates.

Janelle really isn't good at the social game. It's like she's deaf to fellow housemates' discomfort and blows off their concerns. Considering she came in with bonus points, people like Erika and Dani pre-liking her, she really squandered an advantage. And her reaction is just to call them bitches.

It's not that it was wrong to eject Diane. Maybe that was the best strategic move for Janelle, but she failed to sell it to people who mattered in a way they could accept without feeling personally threatened. What matters is how others perceive her ejecting of Diane, and she failed to consider that.

Really?? I always thought veto ceremony was about 3pm pacific time on Mondays. Am I crazy?

I think you are right.

At its very loosest, scripting would mean outlining the events that will happen, especially the big dramatic moments (fights, flirting, conversations, bonding, strat talks). That's why I balk when I see it used to describe BB, because I don't think that's happening.

I don't think production made Marcellus give the pass to George. Marcellus realized he'd look like an ass if he didn't, and these hamsters are production-savvy enough to ensure their "good works" are caught on film. A reason I don't care for All-Star shows.

Prompting and hinting in the DR for me are the editors' jobs to get the hamsters to say what they really feel, since you can't be sure anything they say to a HG is "real." Will, who has no real feelings about anyone there, gives them "what they want," because he and Booger "think like producers." Another reason I don't care for All-Star shows. Scripting would imply they TELL Janelle to "hate Danielle now," when she genuinely already hates her and freely called her a bitch.

I doubt the competition order has been switched up because it's too difficult to get everything ready as it is--working with the prop shop, the graphics department, lighting and construction, etc. on a tight schedule for the show, all shops they're sharing with other productions on the Studio City lot. Switching around BB comps just because of who's nominated would cost extra money from union workers and screw up other shows. If Passions needs a melted vampire head for its August 10 shoot, it had damn well better get its melted head.

Manipulating the order of events for the broadcast shows is done in the editing, in an attempt to take hours and hours of footage and turn it into a concise story people can understand without having watched the live feeds. This also happens under a tight deadline, I'm thinking, because there are three shows a week.

BB suggesting how they dress during the shows so far seems to be only intended to help them all equally -- not because they like them, but because they want to comp to go off without a hitch. If a comp involves running, someone wearing flip-flops could take a face plant, which might result in injury, which means a stop in production, which means cost overruns and, again, screwing up the schedule. Not to mention they don't get the shot they want.

On veto comp, I was off a day because there was no food comp. You're right, it's on Mondays. Last interesting thing until Thursday, unless there's a vote switch-up.

Julie said the coup de'etat thing would be announced on Thursday's live show, so I doubt it will come into effect this week.

Wow, great post from quickpick in the closed thread. I had to bring it over here just to bask in it. Glad I'm not alone in seeing how badly S6 plays the real game, the social aspect, of this game (except for James--he gets it).

I don't like them calling them the new Nerd Herd, either. Why do they want lines drawn in the sand anyway? It's so shortsighted! A few moves down the line, your "enemy" often becomes your closest ally. Erika is playing a legitimate game. She was on the block and got only one vote. She's not high on people's radar. Janelle needs to get over it and realize this doesn't make her a bitch.

And yeah, upthread the fallacy of the chess comparison is mentioned. I thought it was telling how Kaysar told Dani that he tries to think three or four weeks out, and she told him not her, she thinks week to week. Which one is more effective for this game? Well, hmmm..... That's a tough one. Not.

It's the unnecessary and extreme demonization of their targets that makes the float herd the new nerd herd. That's part of the social game I can do without, but as we saw last season, it seems to be effective.

Maggie played a good game last season, and won. It's just depressing that the best strategy in a social game seems to be exploiting the worst in human nature.

As much as I didn't enjoy watching it, I would have given Maggie a break if she had just admitted what she appeared to be doing - manipulating people to give her the win. Instead she insisted the whole time that it really was about friendship and the money didn't matter and none of them should even talk about the money, blah, blah, blah.

That's what made me dislike Maggie. At least everyone in this house knows the game is being played for a prize and most of the time, they don't fault people for playing for that prize.

One of the things that keeps me a Dani fan was when James (I think) was bitching about Janie putting people on slop, getting the beds taken away etc... that Dani basically said she respected Janie for doing what she had to do to stay in the game - and that she would have done the same.

That's the respect that a true competitor gives another competitor and that's what seperates Dani from Maggie in my eyes.

I completely agree. I was watching the feeds last night and saw Danielle say exactly that. And, that is exactly why I still love Danielle as well. I still have yet to see this demonization of the S6 from her that people keep talking about...

Even if she did call Janelle a name or two, which I did not physically see with my own eyes, that's certainly no worse than the way Janelle is carrying on about Danielle and Erika. Danielle is not even close to being like Maggie. And the floater alliance is not even close to being like last year's nerd herd. Well, possibly with the exception of Marcellas. But, we all knew he was a drama queen already.

That's nice and everything, but what she's done is tell lies about Janey, encourage lies to be told about Janey, and exploit a mob mentality to demonize Janey. Like Maggie did. That's not how to respect a competitor, in my opinion.

I haven't seen Danielle acknowledge that that's what she's doing to win the game-- I see her as being in complete denial about her own ethics, just like Maggie was.

I'm not sure I really saw Dani doing this to Janie, but if she did I'm not sure it made much of a difference. After the way Janie played last week, she was the target for the house and Janie did that all by herself.

Could Dani have conducted herself better? Sure. But almost everyone in that house could have conducted themselves better at some point in time. Dani still plays the game better than most of the people there and I think most of the time - she doesn't make it personal.

First post.

So sad that Kaysar will be leaving this week. There's no way Chilltown will flip the vote and piss off Dani and the floatherd and put a target on themselves. Floaters plus Chilltown definitely have the numbers. Even if Chilltown voted to evict James, he has the "change a vote" card which will cancel one. And I definitely think the Coup wont happen until next week and its explained to the hamsters so they can include it in their strategy.

Right. They ALL are human and that's why they're fun to watch. They're all opinionated, too, and in a game like this, their opinions will come out about their fellow HGs, positive and negative. They all engage in bitching and calling each other names, and Kaysar and Janey going on and on about Marcy's faults is no different than Dani going on and on about Janey's faults. It's human nature.

I like that Dani reassured Kaysar she wants to remain friends with him outside the house, and confided in James this morning that she will be hurt if Kaysar takes this game move personally. It's Janelle's tendency to villify the ones who crap on her game that reminds me of the Nerd Herd. Kaysar's buying into it, too. They were all over hating on Marcy and Erika last night--but I'm pretty sure if either of the two were in line supporting their game, they'd like them both.

When Janelle put Dani on the block the first week, Dani played smart and not personal. She didn't decide to call Janey a bitch and threaten to go ballistic, like Janey did when Dani repayed the favor.

guys..does anyone think that will and kaysar may be in a secret alliance..werent they caught laughing and saying they dont even know..something along those lines..can someone clear it up...

I'm still trying to understand how the leeches (Marci, Erica, Danielle) thought it was their place to judge, evaluate, and damn S6 for putting up Diane?!? It's none of their business. What made them feel so entitled to know the minute details of every move S6 made within the game? Were they operating under the assumption that a group of four somehow became a group of 11?? LOL HOH gets to decide who's up on the block. HOH determines the greatest threat at any given time. And self-preservation will always outweigh strategic moves done for the benefit of the group. Danielle's asserted that she plays week to week -- doing what's best for her. Janelle felt the whole house gunning after her, and she decided to eliminate a threat. The floaters expected protection for S6 even as they plotted to take them out.

As I see it, the floaters were opportunists, those who glommed onto Kaysar, James, and Janelle were keeping a low profile. Floaters were more than willing to offer up their fellow floaters to further their own self-interests. Otherwise why weren't the votes to evict Jase, Nakomis, Alison, and Diane more balanced? 10-0 against Jase, 8-1 against Diane (pity vote from Will), etc. The leeches weren't fretting over these house evictions, but they made it an excuse to target S6, particularly Janey after S6 had outlived their usefulness. I just find it wholly disingenuous to blame S6 for gameplay during Diane's eviction when they're now using the same formula to evict Kaysar. Only they look slimier doing it because Kaysar never came after any of them.

Yes, they were:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUy31UiQ350

But if you know Will, you know it may or may not be the actual truth. He has made it clear that the only true alliance he has is with Boogie.

I was originally going to post this in the Kaysar thread, but it touches on gameplay of the S6 as a whole so I'll stick it here.

To me, Kaysar's Achilles Heel throughout this game has been his insistance on playing it as a team sport, which is noble in concept but near impossible to pull off long term with any alliance bigger than two.

Take his approach to the two Veto comps he was in. He went all out in the first one, even shaving his head, just to protect James' nomination of the dubious enemy Chicken George. Kaysar had no dog in that fight, and even went so far as to turn down a proffered deal of protection from George (and that offer, had it been accepted) could have possibly made CG his savior this week.) It was the ultimate "take one for the team." Even James was not willing to go that far to protect his noms.

Then we have this week, when Kay essentially refuses to compete in Veto at the risk of stirring up discord among his alliance when he had to have seen that he was a potential nominee should once of them win it.

His loyalty then blinds him to the fact that the rest of his teammates could be stepping out of the alliance-James with the Float Herd and Janie with CT.

End result being-Janey strikes a private deal with CT, James lashes back by helping coalesce the Floaters into an angry mob and Kay goes down with the ship, unwilling even to do any last minute negotiating with Dani who was just looking for an out not to nominate him.

What I don't get is why the S6 didn't have a plan in place for an eventuality such as this from the get go. They must have seen going in that there was a strong likelihood two of them would be thrown on the block together, and they should have had a plan to deal with it. Step One of which should have been-make another S6 save one from the block so we can get a non-6 up there.

On a final note, I know many blame James for the dissolution of S6, but for my money this one's all on Janey. She broke the faith when she openly lied to the rest of them about what she was doing with Veto and her deal with CT. I don't fault her for making the deal, but she should have been upfront and tried to make them understand. No way would James stay on board once he caught any of them in an outright lie.

My only problem with that is James seemed to have at least one foot out the door of the alliance from day one (because of last season). But I agree Janie's actions gave him the excuse he needed.

While I don't care much for Dani as a person (or at least the person she behaves like in the house), I do have to say that she is gunning for the right people.

She is making a few mistakes though.

1) James as a pawn was very risky, and there is still a remote chance that it will backfire.

2) She has yet to try to garner favors from anyone in the house, ala Janeys deal with CT last week. A formal 'agreement' with CT to go after s6 instead of each other, or a promise from Erika/Marcie to not nom her if she keeps them safe could pay dividends down the road. Would CT cross her? sure. Will Erika/Marci be kissing s6 ass and asking Dani to be put up if s6 wins HoH? Absoloutly. But asking for the agreement wouldn't have hurt her any, and ya never know who might use the 'agreement' to justify nomming someone else.

3) Her attitude. People aren't objecting now, but they will once her HoH is over. Remember Cappy? Remember his HoH reign? Nuff said.

She did a good job with Hoh overall, I just think she missed some great oppotunities to make it better.

The difference for me is that Dani gossiped, bitched, lied, and maligned Janey to drum up support in her anti-Janey agenda. Kaysar and Janey are bitching and foaming at the mouth because they were betrayed by Marcellas and are justifiably angered over it, much like they'll be when they discover just how methodical Danielle's been at creating dissension within their alliance, and ultimately how revolted they'll feel over James' staggering duplicity.



And yet Danielle, James, Marcy, Erica, Will, Boogie, Jase, and Diane villified S6 for sport as soon as they entered the BB house. They were made targets and bashed for entertainment purposes before they crapped on anyone's game.



Maybe it has something to do with Janelle's alliance providing protection for certain floaters and the favor wasn't returned in kind? Maybe Danielle felt she needed to do some damage control after she along with Alison stupidly conspired against S6 during the first week in the house and got caught?

Dani has been doing this-- lying, bashing, ramping up a mob, for over a week. I've seen it, and it's on the recaps. Last night was a Janey bash session in the HoH.

Janelle was the target for the house, regardless. Her mistake was sending Diane home instead of Danielle.



James' used Diane's nomination as an excuse to backstab Janelle-- Danielle saw an opportunity to fracture S6 and unite the weak and insecure players, and exploited it. I doubt she gave two craps (or even one) about Diane. She can't even see the hypocrisy of expecting S6 to nominate as she see fits, and calling what she wanted them to do "S6's dirty work" and then refusing to do it herself on principle.

PS I think "Can someone explain this to me?", CSETTM, is the DYKWIS of the new nerd herd.

Just wanted to play Mr. Obvious, for all those upset over Kaysars probable eviction Thursday. (Sorry, I'm not one of them)

To my knowledge, there have been no independent interviews with ousted HG's yet. That would suggest sequester. Which alludes to a returning HG. Which implies Kaysar going this week may be a GOOD thing.

That is all.

I really don't know when I became such a James apologist but here's how I see it.

In James' mind he was in an alliance with the 6 last year and they betrayed him causing his ouster from the house.

James is by nature a very paranoid person, and he's like one of those people that are totally gun shy in relationships and have been hurt so many times that they are going to make sure they hurt you before you ever have a chance to hurt them.

So I agree he's had one foot out the door, but I see it as more of trying to protect himself from what he sees as the inevitable S6 betrayal rather than specifically wanting to betray them.

I also think that even as The Four have tried to play as a team they all have different definitions of what that meant. Kaysar seems to approach it as some sort of communistic "we all sacrifice for the greater good." where I think James has a more "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours." approach.

So, from his point of view, it was a major sacrifice to go against his word and nominate Jase. He was adamantly opposed to it, but eventually gave in as a favor to Janey. For James that was a huge leap of acting against his own self interest. So naturally he expects a little tit for tat when Janey wins next week. But Janey uses her week to continue to pursue her own agenda without even the courtesy of a real explanation to James. After he gave her Jase's head on a platter? Jamesy don't play that.

James could have been a powerful ally-the caveat is you have to treat him with kid gloves. Kay was the only one who realized that and he got to caught up in his moping to do damage control.