Time to break in a new thread!

Well in all fairness, nobody is playing for second place. I personally don't blame any of the S6ers for putting "evict me" signs on each other's back. Sooner or later they are going to lose an HoH so who can blame them?

It is so boring tonight...tension everywhere but no action...come on BB, throw something at these guys again now that there guard is down...anything

don't they understand that recapping boring stuff is demoralizing...then we don't pay attention and the next thing you know something important starts happening

I only threw up my arms when Kaysar did it, since he has made so much about "loyal" gameplay and having his right way of playing or whatever. To see his whisper dealing with James get enforced in their meeting with Janey to ensure she puts up Will, that was clearly selling her out. I'm definitely seeing Janelle as a huge threat that did it to herself -- don't get me wrong -- but to see Kaysar put his seal on it with obvious ulterior motives is a major curveball for me.

I know, I know, a few hundred people knew already. I guess they changed their screen names after talking about how loyal the two are to each other for two years now.

Janie should have just put up Booger and Will. Let one win PoV and then could have safely gone after Devilelle (dani). Dani is sowing those seeds of distrust against S6 the most.

I don't know if Kaysar is being hypocritical or not, but I think he came into this game to play for himself this year. I don't think he wants to screw Janie over, but he doesn't want to "take on for the team" like he did last year. He already told her he would campaign if he was up against one of them. I say more power to him. I want to see if he was right in his DR entry when he said he understood Will's game and that he can beat him.

Dani and James are "winning" this game........ I was excited that Dani was a potential target....... Why are they all so blindly loyal to Dani?

But I also think it would be best NOT to have Will running amok (sp?) in sequester.

Putting James up would be a brilliant move on Janey's part. At this point, James is hurting S6 more than he's helping them, and it would make S6 less threatening to the house as a whole, allowing them to pick up more allies.

They won't be losing an alliance member in James, either-- James voted against Kaysar's will during his HoH, and he'll likely vote against Janey's will now. During both Kaysar and Janey's HoH weeks, James advocated against their nominations to everyone on the house, and accused both of them of having deals with CT. Not to mention he and Dani have already committed to going after Janey next week, if either of them get HoH.

What little use he's been to S6 has expired, time to get rid of him. I think that Howie's mistake last season, of getting rid of James too soon, in a polarized house, is haunting them now, and will keep James safe for too long. Bummer.

The problem with putting James up is that S6 has no definitive proof of his betrayal at this point. If Janelle suspected it and put him up, she'd probably lose Kaysar and Howie, James would probably stay in the game by double-dealing, and then she'd be toast.

The advantage here for James is that S6 needs him right now. He needs them too, but he might be too stupid to realize it. He might come to his senses and realize that putting up Janelle (if he wins next week) would be suicide for him, just like Janelle putting him up this week would be suicide for her. Whichever S6 puts up the first member of their own alliance first is doomed by the other 2.

Turd Town would only be too happy to take advantage of a break in S6, as would Marcellas, Danielle, Diane, and Scrubika.

ETA: I actually think it would be awesome if Danielle blabbed to Scrubika the plan to nominate Janelle, and Scrubika told Booger, who tells Will, who tells S6. The sparks would be amazing, and then it's bye-bye Danielle.

Actually no - he's still very useful to Howie and Kaysar. The S6 alliance is not just Janelle.

You know if I was in an alliance that convinced me to do a nomination I didn't want to do and then they didn't listen to my input at all in their HoH weeks, I'd be looking for other options as well. I know a lot of people think James will betray the S6ers first chance he gets, but no matter how he's talked this season - his actions have been supportive.

Besides, I think Janelle would really lose some stock with Kaysar and Howie if she went after James at this point. They might not nominate her, but they would both suddenly be much more loyal to each other than to her. I don't think she really wants to allienate her friends that much in favor of people who will stab her in the back first chance they get (Mike and Will).

Yes, I know S6 isn't just Janelle. Which is why I said "S6" and not "Janelle".

James trashed Kaysar's nominations and voted against his wishes during Kay's HoH. He also accused Kay, behind his back, of having a deal with CT. This was before his HoH week, in which he wasn't bullied any more than he's bullied anyone else. Also, I didn't see anyone from S6 trashing James to the rest of the house. So far, he's treating Janelle the same way he treated Kaysar. Not to mention that he distances himself from S6 every chance he gets, while inciting paranoia and dislike of them in the rest of the house.

No reason to think he'd be any more supportive of Howie if Howie got HoH. I think it makes good sense to get rid of James now, but I don't see it happening.

I think she'd have to sell a nom like that to Howie and Kaysar, but I don't think it would be too hard a sell. The loss of James, who is worse than an enemy, in favor of solidifying other alliances in the rest of the house. My position is, they've already lost James anyway; I'm just not sure it's apparent to the rest of S6 yet.

Well I have to admit that I like James, but I just don't see the betrayal. I think that both Janelle and Kaysar have tried to position themselves so that other people in their alliance will be nominated before them. I actually don't blame them for doing this and I have no problem that James has tried to do the same thing. Big deal.

Yes James trashed Kaysar's nominations, but so did plenty of people here. Yes James accussed Kaysar of having a deal with CT but Kaysar said that is what he wanted the house to think and he didn't let James in on his plan directly until a lot of time had passed. Kaysar allowed Howie and Janelle to fill James in on the details and they did a bad job of it. So yeah James went a little nuts but Kaysar allowed that to happen. In the end James was prepared to vote the way Kaysar wanted until they all realized that even with James they weren't going to have the votes to save Nak so they let things go (I missed that eviction but I believe Howie also voted with James and the rest of the house).

James went along with what his alliance wanted last week and this week Janelle isn't just looking like she has a deal with CT - from everything I've read in the recaps - she is considering a deal with CT without fully talking to even Kaysar or Howie about it. She's pulling the "they confused me" dumb blonde crap and complaining Kaysar wasn't there to help her right before her nominations.

You know if Janelle wants to position herself in a place where she thinks Will and Mike will protect her and take out her alliance mates before her, that's fine. She's allowed a back-up plan. But if she (or any of them) trust Mike and Will more than they trust James they deserve to get beat by CT.

I don't think of anything James is doing as a betrayal, so much. I just think moving against him before he moves against them is good strategy.

I guess if they were going to do that, doing it before sequester would be best. However, they think someone could be voted back in. That's good reason not to do it now. In the end, I think they best move for all of them is to keep doing what they've been doing - pinning bigger and brighter "evict me" signs on each other's back in case someone else wins HoH but stay loyal to each other as long as they are in power.

On the issue of someone getting voted back in - Allison appears to not be in sequester so does that mean no one is returning? Also Lisa did the joker's chat so that seems to imply one of the original 20 that didn't get in won't be voted in either. I wonder if Will is just messing with them with all this talk of someone returning.

Alison, Nakomis and Jase are for sure not in sequester because they've been posting on blogs/giving interviews. Unless the twist is that they get to come back with full knowledge of what's happened in the house, including DR, there's no one returning. But the almost all the hamsters seem convinced that someone will come back at some point.

You know, it just kind of skeeves me out watching Will work Janelle. Like, it gives me the creeps to the point where I have to change feeds, not that I miss much since he says the same thing over and over.

I think the rest of the house is just waiting for Janelle to put up Diane now so that the ones who "need" an excuse to go after her will have it. I think she's making a huge mistake - not a mistake for James or Kaysar or Howie, but for herself, by aligning with CT. Will's filling her with stories of splitting the money at the end (a total NerdHerd tactic by the way). If Janelle goes through with saving him, I'll enjoy watching her get evicted sooner than later. Seriously, I like Janelle (less now than two days ago), but I'm ready to see what the consequences are for her actions. She'll have no one to blame but herself if this sends her packing in a week or two, and it'll be interesting to watch.

I just have to take Janelle's side here. Because Howie and Kaysar know that both Diane and Danielle have to go. Kaysar and Janelle even talked about taking out Danielle, and the reasoning for not doing it was because they didn't have the votes. Well, Will came along, and now Janelle has the votes. So here she is, planning to take out a huge threat, while holding to Kaysar's initial "floater" plan, targeting an HoH threat, but now they've decided she needs to take out Chilltown? To keep the house from being mad at her? She's already target #1, and wasn't the whole plan to NOT do the floaters dirty work? Everytime Marcellus or Danielle bitch about S6 not taking out CT, I think it should solidify the Sovs initial decision to not do it. It feels like her alliance flipped the script on her. I think that's what makes Will so effective. He's not lying to her at all. Why do they expect her to take him on when both Kaysar and James cut deals with him during their HoH's? If they really are an alliance why aren't they standing by her? She really is BB6's girlfriend who's being cheated on.

I'm on Janelle's side, too. I really hope she doesn't put Will up.

I'm starting to see it Will's way too. Not only is she expected to do the floaters' dirty work but the dirty job neither Kay nor James would touch... and also expected to preserve their outside alliances. Will is right that the rest of S6 should be putting that alliance first.

But the big alarm bell about Will should be his plan to split the money.

Me too and I hope she puts up Danielle. It's too late to put up Will now. It will do her no good. Does anyone else think that if someone comes into the house, it might be Evilette? I am probably thinking too much but she was the only one that didn't get into the house that did make a phone call.

I hate the money-splitting talk. I hope no one's taking it seriously-- it ruins the game for me.

I think she *has* to get rid of Danielle at this point because once Will goes home, no one's going to care about Boogie. He's completely ineffective, much like his SSA partner Erica. And also at this point, she's hated not only by many of the floaters but she's also made a huge enemy of James. James will never forgive her for this and he's going to make sure that any of the floaters who are in his non-Sov alliance go after her. I fully believe that CT will protect her, at least for the week, because Will told Mike that they would.

And Howie again telling her that the whole house wants Will out. Well, hasn't that been the case for weeks? Wasn't that the whole reason they *weren't* going to take him out?

What sucks about this for me, is that I really think Janelle's instincts are 100% right here. Everything she suspects...that CT will vote with her, that James is out to get her, that James is more loyal to Danielle than to them...is right on. It's only the threat of her alliance being pissed at her that is holding her back. If she does what she wants, I think she makes the right move. I just don't know if she's stubborn enough to follow her instincts, or if the Sovs have beaten her rebelliousness out of her.

I don't have a problem with Janelle figuring out what's right for her as opposed to her alliance and doing it. I hope they're all playing for themselves first and the alliance second. I just think she's doing it stupidly with half-assed decisions, manipulations, and holing herself up in her HOH instead of trying to make deals with anyone but Will.

I also think if she puts up Danielle, Erika will get voted out. I won't sit here and count up the votes to make that point. I just believe Dani's got the skills to make it happen, while Janelle will sleep 18 hours a day hoping things go her way.

But both Kaysar and James have made dumb decisions and been wishy-washy during their terms as HoH. Maybe we expect too much from her.

ETA: Just read the recaps about the blue car... hey, if Janelle can get the pink Janey Doll Dream House, why not a dream house for Diane too?

I don't think they've done anything to put as big a target on themselves as what Janelle's doing this week. As of this afternoon, even Howie's turning against her. It's easy to blame that on James (I don't buy the arguments that blame it on Kaysar, who's playing FUTR "like it's his job" right now), but James is playing the game and Janelle should easily have Howie wrapped around her finger if she'd bother to try.

I guess the only thing I'm differing on is that I do put the blame on Janelle for the size of the target on her back and I think she's making it bigger rather than smaller this week. She came in with a disadvantage because she's seen as the best competitor but she hasn't done anything to diminish that target. How much time has she spent in the last two days reassuring people like Erika and Diane? Is Kaysar keeping her from doing that? Is James keeping her from making any deals she wants with other people? Janelle's responsible for her own game play. She agreed with Kaysar's noms. She agreed with James noms. So to say now that they were doing her some disservice in retrospect, I just can't agree with. She's just doing a bad job with her HOH, IMO. But only time will tell, I guess.

ETA: I don't care if she puts up Diane, Danielle, or Will. I don't have a dog in that hunt even though I really like Danielle. It's not Janelle's nomination choices I disagree with, it's how she's done them that I think is a problem for her.

Janey's biggest mistake was winning HoH twice. Right off, the target on her back grew to epic proportions. Neither James nor Kay made any enemies with their evictions (their status as targets is still mostly due to their oversize alliance) because it was still early in the game. Because of the side alliances that have evolved, relatively quickly, Janelle will make enemies no matter what she does. She's being pressured to give up her side alliance in favor James' two, mostly.

At least it's not boring anymore.

This is the biggest thing that makes me think Will is totally scamming Janie. Last year they talked about the fact that you couldn't split money - only buy presents. Why is this even being taken seriously now?

I still think anyone who makes a serious deal with Will deserves to be burned by it. If Janie really gets Danielle out of the house - she did a great job, but I won't be surprised if she gets screwed next week by the good doctor.

I think Janelle's going to go for Dianne, after watching their interaction just now.

Actually, they could split the money. There are (I'm guessing) at least 1000 loopholes around the BB clause that says you can't split the money. That's what makes me think Will's offer is genuine...if he doesn't have a chance to make some money in this deal, he wouldn't offer it (because I really do think he doesn't want to go to sequester unless it's a money making deal for him).

That's it, I'm officially rooting for Will in this game. He's by far the best player in the game. He's so good at just talking with people and getting them to what he wants. No yelling or screaming, just go talk to someone. Get rid of the constant singing and plugging (part of his strategy) and give me just his gameplay and he's good. I still like the season 6 alliance and I think the three of them will stick together as far as they can. I say three because regardless of what any of those dumb houseguests say, James is the only true floater in the house.

It seems to me that BB would have either had lawyers draft the contracts or look at them. I doubt there are many loop holes in the "don't split the money" rule. However, I think this is a money making deal for Will because I think if he goes to the end with anyone - he wins the whole damn thing.

ETA: I think one way to "split" the money would be to invest in someone's business BUT I don't know if that is something Janie would be interested in.

I love Kaysar, but he choose GEORGIE to put on slop?? Come ON. That was telling of HIS stratedgy.

I wish they realized how dangerous the so called floaters are... Dani is a menace. AND a good player, I could live with Will, Dani or James winning

Do we know for sure that they can't split the money this season? Perhaps there have been some rule changes for All Stars.

That's possible Magpie, but this line from a recap.....



Just rang a huge bell in my head. I swear I remember someone in BB saying this line before and I think it was Will in season two. I'm sure he sounds sooooo sincere when he talks to Janie, but I will be shocked if he doesn't screw her over.

ETA: I don't think BB would let them split the money because it would suck some of the fun out of the game.

I really do think it's possible for them to split the money, regardless of how BB feels about it. It seems the people from Real World/Road Rules challenges do it (Will said as much in his conversation with Janelle) and honestly, if Haliburton can get an exclusive contract in Iraq and the VP can shoot someone in the face, I'm pretty sure the BB winner could find a way to divvy up the cash. We like to think it couldn't happen, but I'm pretty damn certain it could. Once the cash leaves BB's bank accounts, it's pretty much out of their hands what happens to it.

Ok. I am a very big supporter of the S6 group and I hope that one of them win. But I have to say that I respect Dr Will and his gameplay. The fact that the boy is even still there after doing all that he did his season and everthing that he has said in the last 25 days shows me that he knows how to play the game. If he wins then more power to him.

I think that Janey should put Danielle up I hate that girl. She is going after Janelle no matter what.

Just my thoughts thanks for listening.

Well assuming it is still against BB's rules to split the money, there is one good reason no one would do it - taxes. The person who wins the money will have to pay the entire amount of taxes on the winnings since they won't be able to claim they split it because that is against BB's rules.

I know that if you receive a monetary gift over a certain amount of money it becomes taxable income but I don't believe it becomes a tax deduction for the person doing the giving (someone who knows tax law better can correct me if I'm wrong). So if I'm right, I don't see anyone paying the huge taxes a winning like this must come with and then forking over some of that cash to someone else.

They'd probably split the taxes, too.

I'm not sure it works that way.

I might be wrong about one thing though - I'm assuming that 500,000 would be taxed at a higher rate than 250,000. If it all falls under one blanket % - then things could come out even for the first split.

However, when the second person received their gift, that money would still be taxed a second time - no way around it. Which basically means the second person gets less money and the government gets more of the overall winnings.

ETA: I also don't think any law will bind a verbal contract in a game where lying is part of winning. Like I said, I swear we've heard this routine from Will before. Personally, I wouldn't trust anyone to split money with me even if it wasn't against the rules.

I don't much care about the legalities of splitting the money. When the NerdHerd talked about it last year, I thought it was lame and spoiled the game and I think so now. It's like, fine - just end the game now and everybody take their portion. Boring.

Maybe Will doesn't think Janey and the other S6 are smart enough to figure out about the tax part? (I bet James is, at least.)

I don't see why Janey wouldn't have the votes to take Dani out, if she puts her up. James, granted, would be a lost cause, as would Di. CG is a wild card but would probably do what Howie/Will say. Janey could probably talk Howie around to her point of view, Kaysar and Boogie would (from what we've been shown) prefer to keep Erika, and unless Marci has a SSA with Dani, as some have speculated, he'd vote against her too. There's no particular reason I know for Will to vote for Dani. I think it would be, at worst, a 4-4 tie. If HOH breaks the tie, that's Janey, if it's veto holder, that's Boogie, either way Dani would go.

If Dani or Di gets HOH, they're coming after Janey anyway, why bother not to piss them off?

Will discussed the tax situation during Bathtime Puppet Theatre, but I wasn't paying attention to that part.

Basically the idea was for everyone to pool all the money (1st, 2nd, + sequester money), figure out the taxes, then split it evenly, or, if appropriate, more to the winner. Will had it loosely worked out to $100,000 per final 6.

Didn't I just say that? :D

I'm getting really irritated that no matter when I turn on the feeds, if it isn't showing flames, I has to be on Janel or Howie.

I guess the question then would be what would be the point of finishing the game - probably the reason BB doesn't allow it.

However, it's interesting that Will did address the issue. I think ultimately more money would be lost to taxes than if they all keep their money individually, but he would know more about how it would work out with pooled money from sequester, etc....

I wonder how often BB chews Will out for this kind of talk though.

I think Kaysar was terse with Janie after his talk with Boogie, because Boogie told him that he and Will had already approached Janie and Howie about making an alliance and they didn't let him (Kaysar) and James know. I think Kaysar is finally getting the picture about Janie's nominations.

Hahahaha..If Diane says anything to Erika about her and Boogie having a date outside the show it has the potential for some great feeds! Why is Will pushing this now?

Merging double post - Tsy

Oh man, Dani and Will are brilliant, they're working James to go after Janie and keeping their hands clean. I think the real alliance here is these two, forget Dani/James and Will/Boogie. Janie has everyone but Howie and Marcellus after her next week, I *almost* feel sorry for her.

Merging double post (again) - gforce

All of Will's sharing/tax issues are bullshit. Unless Janie/Will/Bogger/???/????/??? formed some sort of LLC, which probably wouldn't hold up, so, still bullshit. I find it interesting that BB allows some of these conversations. Maybe, they're trying to fuck with us. How many here have tried to check or at the very least checked their contract? PLUS, there is Will's interview where he said he would give the winnings to charity.

He's playing.

Uh! I can't decide whether I love Will or hate him. Ok, for the moment HATE.

Well, if that house didn't get flipped upside down last night. Oh wait, it did.

James' "the revolution" comment was pretty strange. He got a lot of blahs and venom from teh intarwebs, but the fruit of the plan is pretty ripe for the taking. I think Janelle and James are like two gunslingers in a Wild West movie at this point. They had a duel scheduled for High Noon (once we get to sequester we re-examine S6 and our priorities). The rules, of course, take 10 paces out and then turn and shoot.

The night before the duel, a mysterious vagabond doctor approached Janelle with some secret information. He said that her opponent, James, struck a deal to turn around on Pace 9 and shoot her in the back. She suspected this anyway but this confirmed it -- now she's planning on turning around on Pace 8. Will news travel fast enough to get him turning around on Pace 6 or 7 (IE, next week is James/Dani's head vs. Janelle's head).

In other words, the pre-manuevering is happening at an astonishing pace. I would have to give the advantage to James though, really, because he planted most of these seeds much earlier in allegiance with Danielle. They had this plan ready to go, as was obvious, I even beat it to death talking about the trumped up storyline with James/Dani the villains. Now CT's attempt to change the gravity only hastens the J/D response -- can James organize the floaters enough, or will his reputation undermine him? Does Kaysar throw off the CT target and stay loyal to Janey? Or did his whisper-plotting with James, to keep Janey out in front, sign off on her eviction? More questions than answers, but at least there's some game here besides waiting for HOH! I can't give thanks, though, because Mike Booger is due at least some of it. Eww..