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buffyvol
QUOTE(bttrcup @ Aug 2 2006, 03:05 AM) [snapback]15673[/snapback]


I like Janelle and Will working together - they have the charisma/sneaky thing in common, and I'm expecting good things from those two!

Trouble is, I believe it will be Janey that goes down in flames. I'd like to Will do that, but I'm afraid it isn't going to happen.
Captain Savem
QUOTE(Magpie @ Aug 1 2006, 09:30 PM) [snapback]15569[/snapback]

The Veto competition shown in tonight's episode was the BEST EVER (except for the winner, of course). This is the kind of torture I want to see BB inflict on these freaks...No more "All Star" pampering, BB! We want flesh-eating worms and electric chairs!


Co-sign!! Tonight was the first time I thought to myself "Now this is All-Stars!!"

The computerized voice was cool too! I wonder if it was actually used during the comp or just a voice-over?
Snooky
QUOTE(gwendy @ Jul 30 2006, 01:19 PM) [snapback]14820[/snapback]

You know, it just kind of skeeves me out watching Will work Janelle. Like, it gives me the creeps to the point where I have to change feeds, not that I miss much since he says the same thing over and over.

I think the rest of the house is just waiting for Janelle to put up Diane now so that the ones who "need" an excuse to go after her will have it. I think she's making a huge mistake - not a mistake for James or Kaysar or Howie, but for herself, by aligning with CT. Will's filling her with stories of splitting the money at the end (a total NerdHerd tactic by the way). If Janelle goes through with saving him, I'll enjoy watching her get evicted sooner than later. Seriously, I like Janelle (less now than two days ago), but I'm ready to see what the consequences are for her actions. She'll have no one to blame but herself if this sends her packing in a week or two, and it'll be interesting to watch.

You posted this a couple of days ago, gwendy, but I'm just catching up. I agree with every word. This morning, after watching last night's veto show, I'm having a seriously hard time liking Janie anymore. I've lost that lovin' feeling. She just seems so incredibly selfish, and not very smart to deal with Will. Even if all along she wanted to get rid of Diane, she should have just done it and not whined and put on the "poor stupid blonde" act for her alliance mates when they questioned her decisions. Blech.

I also don't like how she used Howie to do her dirty work in the veto. She used someone who would lasso the moon for her and trusts her implicitly. Then she lied to the rest of her alliance with him sitting right there in an attempt to paint it in a different light, putting him in the position of staying quiet to protect a plan he didn't even understand or telling the rest of his alliance, whom HE trusts, the honest truth. Thank God Howie told the truth.

I expect her to be out within two weeks, and I can't say I'll be sorry.

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I'm missing a lot of pivotal daytime stuff lately (who knew they'd do anything in daylight?) but apparently Kaysar gave Janelle his approval for the Diane plan, and they agreed that he'd start pretending to be in with James and mad at Janelle

Read that again, please.. it's little details like this that can change how everything is perceived.. thanks


Full credit to the italics go to Dingo at: www.hamsterwatch.com

Did I miss this somewhere? Our cappers are just too "on it" IMHO to have missed this, so it MUST have been me missing over a post.

Me, too!!!! I read that and scratched my head. I went back over the recaps, which I read EVERY word of. Guess what--I was one of several who recapped that very conversation, and I NEVER heard that. Neither did any other recapper. I heard Kaysar tell Janey that he would go try to smooth James' feathers. I don't know where Dingo gets his recappagge from, but it's not from us.

He has a major Janey crush, so while I enjoy his site, I always take that into consideration. She never gets a down arrow, notice. Even this entire week, where despite whatever her goals were, she screwed up in finessing her team and the other HGs. Janey sent him some T-shirts and things after last year, because he's a fan of hers. Just to keep things in perspective.

Merged double posts -- Mags
swsa
And last week James, Kaysar, and Howie initially plotted to possibly save Jase and didn't fill Janelle in until the last minute. This, despite the fact that Jase had told them straight-up that Janelle was the person he most wanted out of the house. I forgave Howie and Kaysar for that when they eventually came clean and came to a decision together. I don't view this week all that differently. She hedged her bets with her noms and should've just been a straight-out bitch about them, but in the end she didn't go ahead with putting Diane up before she got Howie and Kaysar's approval. If they wanted CT out, they had their shot at it the 2 previous weeks.

I don't really disagree with the opinion that she went about this week sloppily. But I still can't view it as any kind of betrayal of her alliance. If nominating someone who *is* a threat (and who one of your alliance-mates already tried to get out once) and not a part of your alliance is enough to constitute backstabbing your alliance, then I can't imagine how they're going to get through the rest of the game.
Snooky
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In the BB world, they are too old, too experienced, too self-conscious / self-aware. I think a lot of their boredom comes from a lack of infectious spontaneity.

Definitely a problem this season. They're like has-beens in a retirement home. Or rather, never-wases, wishing they'd been discovered. It's a little too much like an address on the Street of Broken Dreams that is Hollywood.

I want fresh faces, people from Washington state, the Midwest, Alabama--people who've never been to Hollywood. I'm kinda sad we had to lose out on that this year.

As for the infectious spontaneity, what kills me is Booger and his Master plot out "ways to entertain us" in deliberate fashion. Which is the exact opposite of infectious spontaneity.

QUOTE(swsa @ Aug 2 2006, 10:19 AM) [snapback]15759[/snapback]

I don't really disagree with the opinion that she went about this week sloppily. But I still can't view it as any kind of betrayal of her alliance.

I don't either, swsa. But she should have explained her rationale, not been so cagey. She could have won over Kaysar and Howie easily enough to seeing why Diane is a threat to her. James would have resisted, but at least he wouldn't have the ammo to see her as "betraying" her alliance. It's true he's just looking for a reason to defect, but it's important at this point, while they need the numbers, to try to keep the team together and strong for a few more weeks, since it's in all of their best interests.

Maybe I'm too practical. But I would have liked to see them all calmly meet and discuss the potential threat of each of the remaining HGs, be they CT or floater, and how likely they were to win HOH. As I see it, the HOH is so critical, if they can't "decide" who to evict, it has to be about who the HOH threat is (which is why they really lucked out that CG won veto in Chickenshit James' week.)
merlynn
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I don't really disagree with the opinion that she went about this week sloppily. But I still can't view it as any kind of betrayal of her alliance.


My top dislike of how she has handled this week is her "dumb blonde act" with Howie and Kaysar. She can pull that act with the rest of the house, but not with them.

But other than that, if she had straight up told Kaysar who she wanted out, I think he could have helped her come up with a better way of doing it. I still think she made herself look really bad to the rest of the house with the way she went about things this week. Kaysar could have helped with that. Kaysar and Howie are also better at keeping James in line it seems than Janie is - another reason she needed help this week.

Finally, her behavior with Marci is annoying me. She's tying herself too closely to him - so closely she's going to risk losing her alliance. I don't think there is anyone is that house that Kaysar and Howie are more loyal to than Janie. So when Kaysar says he wants Marci out, she needs to just say "ok" not try to change his mind.
uaintjak
QUOTE(merlynn @ Aug 2 2006, 01:50 PM) [snapback]15766[/snapback]

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I don't think they are throwing HoH and Veto comps at all, they just aren't good enough to win them.


Will didn't lose that last HoH - he threw it. It was a very easy competition and I'm sure he got his second question wrong on purpose.

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Speaking for myself, if I was a floater it wouldn't be a chance that I'd be willing to take at this point in the game. The name of the game is to survive another week, and going after ChillTown guarantees you just that.


Would you want to be the one person left in that house with CT and the S6ers and no potential allies in sight? No floater can afford not to start playing the game.

As good at competitions as the S6ers are, I don't think everyone has been trying this year. That was the scenerio Janie should have wanted to keep going - going after CT would have pratically guarenteed all of S6 made sequester.

The floaters still might be stupid enough to fall into the "let someone else do the dirty work" trap, but Janie has opened their eyes as to who the real targets are in the house. To me that is the fault of her strategy. She needed to always make it look like she was going after CT and then acted shocked when the "pawn" got voted out.


Whether or not Turd Town is throwing competitions is kind of irrelevant. Either they are throwing them, in which case they don't win, or they suck, in which case they don't win.

Either way, they're still in the same position they are in every week.

If they've been throwing them, they still have reason to throw them because Janelle showed them she's on their side, and the floaters are pissed at S6. So no reason for Turd Town to bother to try and win one.

If they suck, then they suck. I personally believe they suck, but either way it doesn't matter much.

Marcellass, in my not-so-humble opinion, doesn't have the balls to win an HoH. Neither does Scrubika. George is incapable of winning one, unless it's the Maggie Bowl-A-Thon all over again. Diane and Dani are the only ones who are both capable and willing. This is true before Janelle's HoH and also, I think, after.

Marcellas and Scrubika, unless they're convinced S6 is coming after them personally, would rather have others do their dirty work. Their entire game depends on them being able to play both sides. If they show their cards now, they're fucked. No one is gone from S6, no one is gone from Turd Town. S6 isn't going to let them in if they nominate an S6. Marcellass's only friend in S6 is Janelle. Scrubika's thinks she's got a couple people in S6 on her side. They'd fuck themselves putting up an S6, because then that door closes, and they're left on their own, or with Turd Town, whom no one has good reason to trust.

Danielle has an alliance with everyone in the house, so she's the only one who could confidantly put up anybody in the house. Diane has nothing to lose, she just wants a friend, so she'll do whatever she thinks will help her out. These are the two that S6 needs to watch for, and one of them is going home.

James, of course, is always the wild card. He's not as smart as he thinks he is, but he is smart enough to know putting up Janelle himself will cost him in the long run. He'd likely work with Danielle to get her HoH if he can, so she can do his dirty work (and it's not at all clear she would...if Turd Town wants her to keep Janelle, she likely will, no matter what James wants).

Of course, what all this means is, just like every week, I'm going to be sitting on the edge of my couch crapping myself unless Kaysar or Howie win HoH.

God, this is a long post.
swsa
I totally agree on the Marci thing. If Kaysar or Howie want to put him up, she needs to let them. If she wants to warn them in advance that she will use veto and that she can't vote him out, that's fine. Truthfully, I'd love Marci to win HoH, just to see him totally lose it, and either wimp out and put up Erika and Chicken George, or to actually put Janelle up, thereby pretty much sealing his fate in the game. I think it'd be a week of non-stop hilarity.

On the Diane thing...I think why I do cut her more slack than most, is because to me, it was obvious that was who she wanted out right from the start. And Kaysar and Howie agreed with her. Then James threw his hissy fit, and they all backed down and decided to go for Will/Boogie. But she was never sold on that. And I think she deluded herself that if she could get Diane on the block kind of "accidentally", then she'd still be mostly doing what her alliance wanted. I don't think she felt she *could* be totally upfront and just say what she wanted. She attempted that the night she got HoH, and got shot down, even though she knew her actual allies (re: Kaysar and Howie) would've been okay with it. Then it was too late and Erika was on the block, and the whole thing became a bigger and bigger mess.

In the end, I'm not sure how much this will hurt her. The best case scenario for her would actually probably be if Kaysar or Howie won, targetted Marcellus, and kept CT save for another week. Right now, the floaters are convinced Janelle's the devil, but another week of CT in the house might get them thinking about the last 3 weeks, and how actually the story shakes down pretty much the same everytime, Chilltown safe, floater evicted.
merlynn
uaintjak, LOL as I was typing my response I was just thinking it belonged here instead.

Anyway, to shorten things up a bit, this HoH will be interesting because I'm not sure who will want it and who won't.

Will will throw it.
Mike might try - (if for no other reason than he wants to be the center of attention).
Howie might try but he can afford not to.
Kaysar might not try - he needs to lay low for a week.
James will probably throw it to certain people. If he wins, I predict he goes after Marci.
Dani won't want it, but she needs it.
Same for Diane if by some miracle she stays.
Marci doesn't know he needs it, but if he gets it - he goes after James.
Erika knows she needs it, but she does seem like a chicken. If she wins it, she goes after James too.
George should try and if enough people throw it - he might even win this one.

Thinking about Erika v. Diane, Erika going is good for James and Diane going is good for Janie. I'm suprised he hasn't tried to flip the house more after Will's "open-minded" remark. Maybe he senses that Dani would rather have Erika than Diane? I wonder how many people know how tight Erika is with Mike?
ca_girl
If this is an endurance competition today, it will be interesting. Kaysar was up all night with Janie...
Snooky
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My top dislike of how she has handled this week is her "dumb blonde act" with Howie and Kaysar. She can pull that act with the rest of the house, but not with them.

Me, too, Merlynn. You nailed it. Especially after seeing last night's show, I now realize that the entire time they were pushing for a Will nomination, she knew damned well she wasn't going to go along. The excuses she gave them were just lies, like saying she "got confused." The whole "I'm just a dumb blonde who screwed up" crap was an attempt to fool her own team-mates--including friends Howie and Kaysar. It was really disingenuous, and not in line with who I thought she was or how she viewed her friends. Her behavior has caused me to reasses my position on the Janey love train. Let's put it this way--I'm hanging off the end of the caboose with one hand wrapped around a pole, about to plummet to the tracks.
LurkerNan
Today's not a competition day, right? I thought Wednesday is the day they vote for the eviction tomorrow...

But tomorrow would be perfect for an endurance competition, it a pivotal point in the game.
Snooky
I agree about the twist not being one of the three already evicted. Not enough choice there. I think live in front of everyone voting would be fun.

So, I read on the feeds that the address of the house is 4024 Radford, which is in Studio City, and is also where Passions is filmed, in case anyone is wondering. It also explains why Marcy's soap opera is called Radford Place. Hey, whatever happened to that? It was a lot better than the stupid ChiChu Mugatu movie Will came up with.
Cami
As much as I hate twist speculation, I was thinking that a live vote tomorrow night would work, but the twist might be that they have to make their vote in front of everyone-- they won't be paraded into the DR.

This would really mess with their heads, and probably prevent Will from screwing things up by voting against Erika and breaking his agreement with Janey.

Just a thought. I really doubt anyone's coming back in the house tomorrow night, though I do think that if someone does come back in the house at any point, it will be one of the people that didn't make it in, as opposed to any of the people that were already voted out.
Magpie
Oh, I do like the idea of a live vote in front of each other, Cami! I'm picturing James dithering around, and it's making me laugh evilly.

Agreed on the other part as well...I think if they bring someone in, it's going to be one of the top 20 who didn't get in the first time. I'm hoping for Monica, but afraid it would be Cowtard.
Cami
Cowtard would be awful! Monica would be the best-- I'd love to see her interacting with Danielle-- but our luck, we'd get Ivette or Scott.
Sureshot26
What I find endlessly intriguing about the whole Janey/Chilltown deal is that Will got Janelle to commit to a deal while essentially offering her the equivalent of wampum in exchange for her Manhattan. So Will promises that he and Boogie won't go after her - big whoop. It costs him nothing to offer that because he has no intention of winning HoH anyway (and said exactly that to the entire house), and Boogie sucks so bad he couldn't win a competition that wasn't thrown to him. Will's holding the metaphorical 7-2 in this BB poker game, and he's bluffing the hell out of Janey with it. While I kind of wish Janey would get her head out of her ass, I can't help but be impressed by Will's ability to wheel and deal when he has precious little to bargin with.
uaintjak
Yes, but Janelle gets what she wants too...she gets Diane out of the house. I don't think she really expects anything else out of Turd Town except two votes to evict Diane.
Cami
The deal was the votes to get out who she wanted this week, and Boobie or Will won't put up any S6, plus Marcellus, if they were to win HoH.

I hear George shrieking on the feeds, and I don't even want to know.
gwendy
As of this afternoon, in convo with Dani, Marci's big ballsy plan if he wins HOH is to put up Howie against Chicken George, lying to Howie that he's the pawn. And Marci gets on the Sovs case for not putting up the direct threats?

On another note, Danielle is determined to protect Kaysar, almost as much as she protects James. She's always deflecting negative attention from him and to Howie and Janelle (she did it again today in her conversation with Marci). I think that's just an interesting dynamic because while she and Kaysar have had some good conversations, he's made no attempt to really form an alliance with her that I've seen. He's argued against putting her on the block now, but I don't know that there's a grand plan there on his part - I think he wants to keep her to placate James and because he's really not sure if they'd have the votes to send her home. Maybe she's just compelled to protect Kaysar because he reminds her of Jason from her season and it's the personal getting in the way of strategy.

merlynn
gwendy,

I'm starting to suspect something is up with James, Dani and Kaysar. I read a recap earlier this year when people told him that James and Dani were talking before the show - he said he had put them in touch with each other.

There is this small part of me that thinks that James's plan B might be a little bigger than we think - it might include Kaysar as well.
bttrcup
I didn't think it was really surprising that the hamsters voted into the house by the audience almost all came from the last two seasons - collectively, we have a short attention span! Will and Danielle may be two of my favorite players, but they played four and five years ago - very few viewers remember that far back.

But what I do find interesting is how the "popularity contest" aspect may have impacted the game. If Diane leaves tomorrow then Season Six will have kicked out everyone from Season Five. The only other person evicted was Alison from Season Four - and Erika from the same season is at risk this week. The hamsters are leaving the producer's picks from the earlier seasons in the game, and targeting the popular picks from recent seasons.

I know there have been strategic reasons for every single eviction so far - but I have to wonder how much they're all affected by the popularity thing? Would Diane have lasted longer if she was on BB3 and wasn't voted in by the public? Would she be less threatening to Janelle if that was the case? And would Will be gone by now if the public had voted him in? Did not getting voted in, ultimately help him?

I don't have any answers, I'm just curious!
Snooky
I know the popularity thing plays into resentment against S6, but that was mild compared to the seething anger they have over the fact S6 has been in power every single week.

Interesting thoughts about Will being gone by now if he'd been voted in by the public. I don't think we'll ever know because with S6 in power, they're the ones planning kick-offs, and they're already the popular ones, so they don't seem to use that as a criteria.

I heard Dani tell James last night that two of S6 would go up if Will won. I think that's a very good possibility. Janey said she'd like four people protected (Howie, Marcy, Kaysar, James) but Will said maybe TWO of those would be protected. That leaves two for the block. Awesome deal that Janie made, no?

Of course, it's a stupid deal regardless, because Will will never win HOH. I'm sure he's capable, but it's not part of his strategy. Booger, however, IS playing for HOH.
merlynn
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Of course, it's a stupid deal regardless, because Will will never win HOH. I'm sure he's capable, but it's not part of his strategy. Booger, however, IS playing for HOH.


I'm not sure he needs to with the way Will has things going in the house right now, but HoH is the center of attention and I just don't think Mike can resist that.
ZGeist
As a whole, I think almost all deals are stupid, because they are excedingly self-serving in nature and last only to serve everyone's short term needs, although a necessary evil in this game if for no other reason that it's one of the few ways of vote counting and communicating. It provides a sense of what nominations will and won't fly and who is and isn't powerful, in the sense of what size of voting bloc is dedicated to them, in the game.

The other side of the Janey/Will deal that you have to take into account, before you judge it, is that Janey wants/needs those two CT votes next week as much or more than she does this week. In her mind, she has the votes of Kaysar, Howie, Will, Boogie, Marcellus, and maybe James. Next week, 4 votes is enough to keep you around the house so making a deal with Will and Boogie, assuming they keep to the deal which is admittedly iffy (who would have been better though?), she has to secure four votes to stay in the game if she goes up and doesn't win veto. Since we know more about the mood of the house than she does, we know that James, seemingly (it's BB you always have to say "seemingly" because you never know for sure) won't vote for her and that Marcellus, seemingly, won't vote for her. That means she doesn't have the 4+ votes she needs. On the other hand, with several days to work on Marcellus, CT sticking to their word, and getting one vote from the S6 alliance, the CT alliance would be what actually saved her and kept her in the game.


just something else to think about

QUOTE(Snooky @ Aug 3 2006, 12:22 PM) [snapback]16045[/snapback]

I know the popularity thing plays into resentment against S6, but that was mild compared to the seething anger they have over the fact S6 has been in power every single week.

Interesting thoughts about Will being gone by now if he'd been voted in by the public. I don't think we'll ever know because with S6 in power, they're the ones planning kick-offs, and they're already the popular ones, so they don't seem to use that as a criteria.

I heard Dani tell James last night that two of S6 would go up if Will won. I think that's a very good possibility. Janey said she'd like four people protected (Howie, Marcy, Kaysar, James) but Will said maybe TWO of those would be protected. That leaves two for the block. Awesome deal that Janie made, no?

Of course, it's a stupid deal regardless, because Will will never win HOH. I'm sure he's capable, but it's not part of his strategy. Booger, however, IS playing for HOH.

swsa
Well, to me the point of the deal, just like with Kaysar and James, is not necessarily to save all of S6, but to just get themselves lower on the kill list. None of them want to admit that, but they know that's what they were doing, and Will knows it as well. I don't think any of them really expect CT to not nominate S6. They're all just banking on not being one of the two. And from Janelle's perspective, there's at least a question with CT, both of whether they actually want HoH and whether she'd go up if they got it, while there was NO question with Diane. Diane would've tried for HoH and she would've put Janelle up. And since it's looking like it may be endurance tonight, if the Diane vote goes through, then I think all 3 Sovs may realize Janelle made the right choice once Boogie and Will are out after one hour.
ZGeist
I absolutely agree with you on getting diane out before the endurance comp. That's something that never really ever came up but I think was a very valid reason for targeting Diane. No Diane would seem to leave a pretty clear playing field for Kaysar in an endurance comp, not knowing who may come into the game.

QUOTE(swsa @ Aug 3 2006, 01:50 PM) [snapback]16068[/snapback]

Well, to me the point of the deal, just like with Kaysar and James, is not necessarily to save all of S6, but to just get themselves lower on the kill list. None of them want to admit that, but they know that's what they were doing, and Will knows it as well.....And since it's looking like it may be endurance tonight, if the Diane vote goes through, then I think all 3 Sovs may realize Janelle made the right choice once Boogie and Will are out after one hour.


added later:

OK, it's an hour before the big show tonight and I don't see any Twist speculation. Come on people - let's hear what you think is gonna go down. I've previously stated my belief that the game was going to go into a 7 v 7 team mode, with twin HOH's who had to agree on nominations or go up themselves. My second option is that all of the unselected former houseguests along with the voted out houseguests will be joined together and the game will become a 10 v 10 game, each side will have an their own HOH and nominations but people from the otherside will somehow have the ability to influence the HOH process. POV will be open comp with players from both side competing for one veto which can be used on any nominated player - on your team or on the other. I'm not sure about voting but it could also be a situation where teams vote on the opposite nominees or not. Food comps will be between the two teams with the team that loses on slop. Luxery comps will probably partly be for team things and some for individual things and that's how the people will compete. Two people - whether there are two teams of 7 or two teams of 10 - will have to be voted out each week so if they only have one set of nominee's comprised of a comprimise of the twin HOHs, then they will have to turn around HOH every 3 to 4 days....ok, that's my take on the Twist.

Let's hear some more
strawberry truck
My twist idea is to have another visit from cast members of Survivor, specifically Tom the Fireman. I hope he shows up with a fire hose and sprays water on the FFF of FLAMES.
lurker
I know the math doesn't work out quite right (but another twist could back up my assumption) - I think it's double eviction night. They didn't vote yesterday, and there are too many hammies to vote and have a comp live. It could be a CBS punishment for using the "pawn" voting strategy. Just my two cents...now bring on the show, Shitpiro! Enough with the flames!
LurkerNan
Endurance competition for the HoH? Yeah! I live for those, all other TV tonight will just have to be TiVoed.
hab
Ok--I've come to the conclusion that James & Danielle are all talk and no action. So much for sending a message to Janelle. It was almost anonymous to evict Diane. If they were so intent on sending a message they could have saved her. I hate these people so much.
swsa
They tried to save her, but couldn't get the votes.

This challenge sucks. They just have to lie there! They'll have to work to lose it. Blech.
geekchicklet
I wonder what would happen if someone got a banner plane to fly over the backyard now...

They're all lying on a raised web, facing the sky. :P

Also, why did they decide to give CG the slop pass, already? Don't they realize he may have considered bailing just for the chance to get it?
wickivicki
I was so angy with the winner I turned off the computer. After I calmed down, I turned it back on. I had a heck of a time getting back on HT.


I just don't want to see this person strutting all over the house, and listen to it for the next week. I can only hope, that this is a short HoH week.
StepChylde
QUOTE(wikiviki @ Aug 3 2006, 10:16 PM) [snapback]16264[/snapback]

I was so angy with the winner I turned off the computer. After I calmed down, I turned it back on. I had a heck of a time getting back on HT.


I just don't want to see this person strutting all over the house, and listen to it for the next week. I can only hope, that this is a short HoH week.


It just might be, with the new "Coup D'etat" twist. Can't wait to see how that will work.

ETA: The more I think about it, the happier I am that Dani won. Sure, I can't stand her, and her attitude is going to be unbearable this week. But just think, there is NO WAY she will be able to keep her cocky trap shut.....she is gonna make Crappy look like a damn mime in comparison. Hell, she is already prancing around the house running her mouth. The more she yaps, the more she makes a target of herself. Add to that the number of ways her HoH could go 'wrong':

1) She swore on her kids that Howie was safe. That leaves Janey and Kaysar going up. If they (or Howie) win Veto, who the hell does she put up? KG, Marci or CT would be her only choices. I'd guess Marci.

2) How funny would it be to see her prance around running her trap for the next 2 or 3 days, only to lose HoH in the "Coup D'etat"? BWAH!

Might be a great "In Yo FACE!" week fellow feeders.
Just Kimmie
Between the upcoming coup d'etat and James' ability to now cancel a vote...should be a GREAT week...as long as it doesn't result in a Kaysar eviction, that is.

At this point, I am willing to bet it's Janelle-Kaysar macaroni time.
swsa
I just hate that Janelle may be going out like this. Everyone hating her and getting a brutal TV edit. This is gonna be a rough week for me. Heh. She'll probably take it better than I will. Here's hoping she can pull off veto.

I also hate that I'm sure it'll be portrayed as her having sealed her fate last week, when in reality, I think this actually proved that she was right not to go after Will, since I'm sure Diane would've been right there with Danielle, and the result either way would've been Janelle on the block with James cackling gleefully.
Alise
I think the noms will be Janie and Marcellus. Dani will tell Marci he's a vote for Janie and she has to do what she can to cancel that out.

I'm pretty sure Dani realized if she didn't make a move her time was nearly up. Girl is smart enough to realize that CT and S6 made a deal (that didn't include James), and they wouldnt go up, Janie would save Marci, they wouldn't put Erika up again. Pretty much left her and KG to be up.

I think it's going to be soooo much fun this week! As Dani told Diane 'she was going to do some damage on her way out!'
uaintjak
Janelle will be backdoored. Anything else and Dani can't be sure she goes.

Bleah.
issycat
QUOTE(uaintjak @ Aug 3 2006, 11:14 PM) [snapback]16298[/snapback]

Janelle will be backdoored. Anything else and Dani can't be sure she goes.

Bleah.


I don't know about that. Backdooring is risky at this point because Janey could have her name drawn, end up playing POV and win. Then Dani is screwed. I bet Dani does a direct nom. Janey and Kaysar. Kaysar is good at comps so he needs to be playing to save himself then Dani won't have to worry about him playing for Janelle. Marci can't win for crap so there's no point putting him up... unless she really wants him out.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
abak23
James is an idiot if he agrees with taking out Janelle if anyone other than Howie or Kaysar is on the block with her. It would be the same mistake Howie made last year.
swsa
Yeah, I don't think Dani will backdoor her. Not only because of the iffiness of Veto, but because I'm sure they're all wondering what the hell that Coup d'Etat is and if that would fuck things up.

I'm just wondering if Kaysar's going to snap out of this funk, or if he's really ready to leave. Janelle could actually get lucky and have Kaysar take the hit for her again. Poor guy. His heart just doesn't seem in it this year. I still kind of think that may be why Janelle keeps gravitating towards Will...he schemes with her and encourages her to make big moves, and I think that's what she used to get from Kaysar.
quickpick
There seems to be much sentiment about that the Sovs should make deals. I was kinda hoping they'd do that, uh, in the month they were in power. And deals with CT don't count, and neither really do solo parachutes once you've decided the floaters must die. That kinda nullifies that whole deal. But now that they are the underdogs, why the eff not. Necessity puts the princess out with the peasants, and we'll see what she is made of. With Veto and this coup and CBS being CBS, I doubt she's quite gone yet.

I would expect the next evictee to be Kaysar. If you want the Sov3 to remain in tact, try a time machine and remote brainwave transferral or something, because that ship is pretty far sailed. After Jase was tossed out like garbage, the rest of the house went on notice. But, if Howie and Janelle are on top of things and a little lucky, they could backtrack through Kaysar's chats with James and Dani and sell him out, since he apparently wants to leave anyway. If J/H can survive this week, the offset of CT becomes that much more relevant - Woogie couldn't afford to toss their hat in with the floaters exclusively, they're playing a textbook balancing game.

Will even let a few various nuggets of game theory slip out in a convo or three, most blatantly in the money split (explained the equity for 4 once you get to a lock position). Yeah, thank Shapiro somebody there plays something other than Win Every HOH. The Sov3 can't vanish in one week. For my part, I'll judge what their worth is by how they play without power, flexibility or death. They didn't exactly win any awards when they had it, but there's still a house in there that hates Chilltown and Marcellas, and even James, to name a few.
Captain Savem
QUOTE(uaintjak @ Aug 3 2006, 11:14 PM) [snapback]16298[/snapback]

Janelle will be backdoored. Anything else and Dani can't be sure she goes.

Bleah.


Fuckin werd. Let's remember, James has the "cancel HoH's nom" pass. Danielle cannot put Janelle on the mac because James will be forced to either use the pass on her or reveal his treacherous ways. So she will be backdoored for sure. If Dani is smart. Janelle still may have opportunity to play for veto tho. That's her only chance. But wait a minute...

It would be in ChillTown's best interest to keep Janelle around if she gets put up. That way Danielle has a new enemy going after her.

Dani is in a little bit of a pickle this week. If what I'm reading is right, she won't nom James and Kaysar. So that leaves Howie. But Howie and who? Boogie?

Damn, ChillTown is gonna win this thing...

good for them.
swsa
No, James' pass nullifies someone's vote. Which means Janelle's going to need 5 votes to stay if he uses it. I do think there's some question of whether or not he will, because he could save it in case he goes up on the block later. But I doubt it.

And Kaysar isn't safe from Dani, Howie is. I think it's gonna be either Janelle/Marcellus or Janelle/Kaysar. Either way, Janelle's probably fucked if she doesn't win veto. The fates really are against her in that Marcellus also got the Slop Pass and so is probably guaranteed CG's vote. Her only chance is to veto herself off, or to go up against Kaysar and have him basically throw himself on his sword for her because he wants to go home.

I also think there may be a chance that Danielle might go with a Will/Janelle nom, just to keep CT from fucking up her plans and plotting to keep Janelle.
Alise
James' pass is not to cancel a nomination, it's to cancel a single vote.
LurkerNan
So the Coup D'Etat is something different?
Sophy
The Coup d' Etat, according to Julie, will "a new twist that will allow one person to overthrow the HOH at a moment’s notice ..." - whatever that means. Become the new HOH? And she brought it up after she mentioned next Thursday's live eviction, so may not come into play right way ...
uaintjak
James's "Nullify one eviction vote" is only good for a week as well...so he either uses it or loses it.

Which means Janelle would need 5 votes, and she's only got 1 or 2.
swsa
But is it good for just one week? Or good for just *this* week? Cause the way I understood it was that he could use it at anytime, but could only use it once. Am I wrong?

Although, if Dani follows through on this BRILLIANT plan to put James up as a pawn, it won't matter since it will definitely get used this week.
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