Carry on!

If I were James, I would totally consider turning on S6. They have not been very nice to him this year or last year for that matter. With that said, I don't think he'll do it. He's just not that ballsy...yet.
I think he'll nominate Jase and George.

I would like to see it, just to break up the lameosity. But James is far too wise to turn on Season 6 yet. But he certainly has to be worried, because at this rate it would be James' head left in a dufflebag by the other three, while they laugh about it. He wouldn't have enough firepower to kill the S6ers when he flipped, and would ultimately be the Marvin-man out?

I honestly just want to see W/B both walk out, so all the fans can quit fixating on that like it's some big deal. They won't win anything, can't win anything, and are universally despised inside the house, except for maybe Jase and Diane, and I'd guess they're more tired of CT than flashing their club cards. Once Will and Booger are gone and all four Season Six are in, the numbers will be so brutally stark that something will have to give. There won't be enough strength left for it not to be a cakewalk, but at least it might be watchable when Marcellas and Erika have their backs against the wall, losing their last ditch Veto, wondering where they went wrong playing in service to Janelle. At least I'll wallow in schadenfreude, LOL.

Does anyone see a way that James will not make final three? I really don't see it unless the "Sov3" as I guess they should be called now figures out that James is in with Will and Booger and are able to do something about it.

His fake alliance of the Sov3 won't put him up, his real alliance of Danielle, Will, Booger won't put him up; Diane - nope she is too much of suck up and won't go after any male who shows her positive attention and she is gunning for Janelle; ChG won't be around and he wouldn't do it anyway because he is controlled by ToolTown; Erika wouldn't do it unless she has no other choice, pretty much the same for Marcellas. Jase is controlled by ToolTown and will be guided to take out other targets just like ChG would be.

Plus, James is pretty much insulated by the other members of Sov3, Janelle being the main target followed by Kasar.

I don't see any way James is not going to final three, after that it's up for grabs.

Oddly enough, I think James is in the best position in the entire house. I agree with you, FoolMoon. His chances of getting to the final three are excellent.

There are bigger targets in S6 to go after, and everyone realizes James has the "short end of the stick" (James' words) with that group anyway. The floaters will be gunning for Kaysar and Janelle.

Even the people he's not aligned with won't target him in the future if he takes out KG this week.

The only person I can see even nominating him right now would be Jase, but even then I think James is safe. If Jase nominated, for instance, James and Janelle, I think only Kay and Howie would vote against James.

The only thing James has to worry about is keeping his alliance with Will and Booger secret from S6. If they find out about that, all hell is going to break loose. Beyond that, I think he'll skate all the way to the end of the game.

He better just put up Will and Mike. And if the veto is used, as long as it's not by Jase, put jase up and vote out Mike or Will. The only thing I hate about voting Mike or Will out is they will just run their pie holes about how they were such a threat and the house was afraid of them. GRR!

hey, come on down to Ladyjane's house. We sing constantly.....unfortunately none of us would be considered talented.....

Didn't he say that to Will? Wasn't he probably lying?

All the S6 people are talking like that. Janie and Marci in the final 2? Right. Kaysar and Jase? Not if anyone from S6 is still around. James will stay with S6 as long as he can.

No, I think he's definitely with Will/Boogie. He and Will discussed that, and then Will and Boogie discussed the alliance openly with Danielle. It's real. Suddenly the S6 people don't seem like such meanies for being suspicious of him. That said, I wonder what'll happen to that alliace if he does put Will up as a pawn this week and Will goes?

Yeah, I think James could really screw the pooch with putting Will up as the "pawn." He should listen to Dani who says never put up anyone you don't want to send home.

I wish Dani and Kaysar would actually their morning show for the live feeders. I like their conversations anyway and that could be fun. But he'll never really wake up that early.

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Where in Hell are the Hammies? Where is your fave (or least fave) hammie? Which Circle is just brimming with Hammies?

Upper Hell
1st Circle: Limbo. (Those who never knew Christ.) Haunted Rain. Kaystar. (HA! I knew it! Hell is not as bad as everybody says!)
2nd Circle: The Lustful. Howtard. Slutty Jen.
3rd Circle: The Gluttonous. Kitchen George.
4th Circle: The Avaricious (greedy) and The Prodigals (wasteful/extravagant). MeVette.
5th Circle: The Wrathful and Sullen. Cryane.

Lower Hell
6th Circle: The Heretics. (Those with non-Christian beliefs.)

7th Circle: The Violent. (Three rings.)
1st Ring. Violent against others (tyrants and murderers). Erdick.
2nd Ring. Violent against self (suicides).
3rd Ring. Violent against god and nature (blasphemers and sodomites).

8th Circle: Fraud. Ten Ditches.
1st Ditch. Panderers (pimps) and seducers. Booger.
2nd Ditch. Flatterers. Karen. Frauddy.
3rd Ditch. Simonists (payed for positions in the church; after Simon Magus, who offered disciples payment for the power to perform miracles.) I dunno, but this sounds like something Jass would do…he said he would’ve joined Scientology if Tom Cruise and John Travolta would’ve hooked him up to the AList.

4th Ditch. Diviners, astrologers, magicians. Nakomis.
5th Ditch. Barrators (litigious; lawsuits typically groundless).
6th Ditch. Hypocrites. Marvellous.
7th Ditch. Thieves. One-legged Eddie, Lisa (stole the win in their season).
8th Ditch. Fraudulent counselors (cult leaders and such). Haggie.
9th Ditch. Sowers of discord and schism. Dr. Giggles.
10th Ditch. Alchemists, counterfeiters, liars. Aliscum.

9th Circle. The Treacherous. Four Sections.
1st Section. Traitors to kin. Cowtard.
2nd Section. Traitors to homeland. Yaps.
3rd Section. Traitors to guests. CBS. Skippy. Chenbot.
4th Section. Traitors to benefactors. Drew.

Does anyone remember the other day when Skippy was zooming in on the shirt with the snake on it? That was James wearing that shirt wasn't it? Oh my, Skippy *was* trying to tell us something, wasn't he? Good job Skippy!

I hear you,, and I feel the same. It's strange being on the side of the strength right off the bat. All S6 should do is focus on getting out HOH threats--that's what matters, not Chicken Fricken George. They need to get rid of Jase, followed by Dani, but they will probably keep Dani around.

James in a Super Secret Alliance with Turd Town!?? When did that happen, last night? I never heard anything about it. I know he talked with Will about using him as a pawn, or Will not caring if he ended up leaving, but if James is stupid enough to hitch his cart to that star, he's never going to win. Will doesn't care at this point about winning, and Boogtard will never win a comp (he was complaining that the last HOH was "too hard." This is All Stars, tool, suck it up.)

Actually, from the sound of it, James was in a Super Secret alliance with Danielle before they ever went into the house. As for James and Turd Town, I don't know...from their discussion, it sounds like maybe alliance is too strong a word, but they definitely talked before going into the house.

Yeah, I watched the feeds for hours yesterday (and the days before), and I never once saw any indication James was in a Super Secret Alliance with Turd Town. He's cutting deals with them, but he's not "in it to the end" with them, IMO. Unless someone has a recap that proves otherwise, I choose to believe he's still with S6 (until it no longer serves his purposes, of course).

Boogtard probably happily phrased it to Dani as being "in" with James, but that doesn't mean it's a hardcore steadfast alliance. It's more of a one-week deal with James using Will as a pawn to get CG out.

I don't know guys - what sealed it for me who James really wants to be left standing with is this: he left Jase in the game. Not only left him in the game but made sure he told him that the others in S6 wanted him out, going so far as to ask for the favor of not putting him up be repaid. Plus he left him in there with Diane and he knows those two are working together and are after Janelle. Plain and simple he left Jase in to go after S6 with his blessing. That's the part that seems really skeevy to me.

But James is also following the plan set out by Kaysar and Janelle, to get rid of "floaters." Why put Will up and risk him at ALL if he's in a SSA with him? James is always saying to a non-S6er that "the others" are targeting someone, but I don't think that qualifies as him being in an alliance with the person he's blabbing to.

I saw all four S6ers celebrating in the HOH room for having gotten HOH again, and pledging final four. I never saw any kind of pledge among James and any other group. I think James is trying to distance himself in the house's eyes from S6 (which they've all been trying to do), and it's working for him well because of his past reputation. And he's cagey--if it gets down to final 6 and he thinks he'll get farther with an alliace of three with non S6ers, sure he'll bail. But I don't think he's planning on taking Will and Boogtard to final four anytime soon.

As for leaving Jase in the game, he doesn't want to put a target on his back anymore than Kaysar did (despite his big talk and criticism of Kaysar's noms last week). By making friendly with Jase before noms, he gets in good with him so that if/when Jase/CT get power, he won't go on the block. That may be a little skeevy, but Kaysar did the same thing last week to position himself lower on the S6 hit list for the rest of the house.

He did call Dani, Booger, and Will his "core" and there was discussion of the "Evil Crew". I caught those on the feeds when Will and James were meeting. The problem was, James never elaborated on the "core" comment (although Will did say people were good at not discussing secrets this season...) Could mean anything, one or both could have been lying, but the comment was made, so...

The "Evil Crew" seemed to refer to Will, Booger, Danielle, and James (not sure if anyone else was counted among that, but those 4 definitely were).

the inferno thing- THATS why I love this site so much!!!

I listened to the Will/James convo--musta missed the "core" part, or didn't know what they intended. From this morning, we have James meeting with Boogtard:



Will doesn't trust James, apparently. Not much of an alliance.

This is nothing but a guess, but Evil Crew might have to do with what Dani and James have previously discussed, that they were considered the "evil ones" of their seasons in terms of being sneaky and conniving, as Will was in his. James, Dani, and Chill Town are all characterized as "evil." I'd put Jase there before James, but these hammies aren't always self-aware. Then again, I didn't hear it, so who knows?

That was awesome, Haunted Rain! I've kept the Inferno in my fave places to check where it fits during the season. I actually heard Marci say he was in the third circle of hell when he was hungry, which happened to correspond with gluttony. Coincidence? You decide.

I don't know Snooky - the James/Jase conversation did not feel at all the same as the Kaysar/WB conversation. Kaysar told S6 straight up that he told WB that he is the one who made the decision when they asked about it. If James tells S6 that he asked Jase to repay *him* a favor and told him that he wasn't going on the block, then I'll agree it was the same. Kaysar told S6 the whole conversation, I think no way in hell is James gonna tell S6 these little gems from his conversation with Jase.

Will said something along the lines of "Me, you, Boogie and Danielle...that would be a solid four to push out the others..."

And James responded "That's my core."

Personally, I'm thinking that when someone not on S6 wins HOH, James is covering his ass so that they'll go after one of the other three. He knows he's #4 on the totem pole there. I don't think he's seriously considering defecting, but he's just covering his bases so that if the worst should happen, he has some options. It's quite similar to what Lisa and Drew did... they covered their bases so that when the crash happened, each could walk into another alliance no problem.


Plus, look at the Chilltown alliance. Diane wants HOH, but typically only does well at endurance events. Will throws challenges openly. Boogie has only won one challenge before, and that was a popularity contest in the first week of BB2; furthermore, he's probably following Will's example of not wanting to win HOH. George isn't going to win anything. Jase is the most likely to actually win HOH, and therefore he shouldn't be put up unless the HOH is certain he's going home. I think that all of CT wants someone to win HOH and knock off a S6er, but they don't want to become a target by doing it themself... they all want someone else to do it for them, but until Diane wins it (I think she's the only one willing to take that responsibility) it's not going to happen, unless maybe CT can coax Marcellas or Erika into doing dirtywork for them.

It's waaaayyyy too early to think a current alliance of four will get to the final four! If it's an alliance of two, then maybe you can get to the final four – but there’s very little likelihood that all four people in an alliance of four in week three, will get to the final four.

I’m completely convinced that James’ main alliance at this point is with Danielle – and as the “first to get thrown under the bus” in the season six alliance, I think James is smart to team up with Danielle instead.

I also think he has a loose alliance with Will and Boogie. It’s not a final four alliance, it’s a “we’ll work together as long as we can” alliance.

I think I heard it as "My core" being the S6, so he wasn't on board with Will's suggestion. I know when I heard it, it didn't seem important to me enough to recap, but maybe I are dumb. They spent so much time feeling each other out about who stands where (Will obliquely admitting Jase is with CT, for instance), I just can't see them being in some kind of SSA. Why all the pretend discussion, then? No one else was in the room.

On the James' agreement with Jase, James told Dani that Jase would nominate him in a heartbeat. I think he's just covering his ass, trying not to be Jase's #1 target. He talked about his Jase talk with Janey, painting it as him doing Jase a favor for not strategizing against Janey the first week. I don't know what he left out that's seriously important, except maybe a guarantee he won't go up if Jase wins HOH, but Janey seemed to understand that was the deal. I don't think it was spelled out between Jase and James, more James "hoping it's a favor that will be returned," and Jase saying he thinks "it is a favor that will be returned" (seriously, they were that vague. There's a clip of it in the photos/clips thread).

On the feeds last night, I did see something fairly revealing about alliances (other than the obvious "Final Four to the End!" group cheer). Janey came into HOH when Dani was there, plopped on the bed and asked James what Will had to say. He said he didn't want to discuss it--in front of DANI. And, he would extend the same courtesty to Dani if Will was there to overhear abou their talk. But Dani would have to be an idiot not to realize that Janey is strategizing with James, since clearly he was going to tell Janey what Will said. And he did later. She's his main confidante at this point.

I think all this floater talk is nothing more than Kaysar and James doing their best not to be seen as top dog in the S6 alliance. Personally, if I were the strong S6 team, I'd go after whoever was strongest at comps. This game is all about your team winning HOH. So get rid of JASE, who's maybe a 7 on a scale of 1-10 in his skill with comps. Then go after Diane (a 6), then Erika (a 5 or 6), on down. CG is the last one they should be thinking about getting out at this point, because he will never win any comp unless it's pure chance.

If I'm not mistaken, James did fill Dani in on the conversation with Will...at least, as much as he told Janelle about it anyway. James and Dani definitely have a side-thing going on, apart from the S6. He also didn't mention to Janelle he threw her under the bus several times in his conversations with the other houseguests.

Yes, James is definitely in tight with BOTH Dani and Janey. He's also the type to think he'll keep a secret, then start blabbing as he warms up to his topic. (Boy cannot resist sharing information!) I just don't see enough evidence to prove he has some side thing going with Will and Booger or a four-person Will, Booger, Dani, James alliance, though. I'm happy to be proven wrong, though. I think James wants a mini-side alliance with every remaining player, if at all possible. It's exactly what burned him last year.

And ITA, he threw Janey under the bus (that bus sees a lot of gore!) in implying S6 was gunning for Jase. Of course, Jase probably already knows that, too.

In an earlier convo this afternoon, Marcellas and Erika were saying if they can't count on CT to step up and take out "The Four," they'd have to do it themselves. They'd start with getting out Howie, because he's annoying, and Kaysar because he's too nice to beat at the end. For some reason, they're both stuck on bringing Janelle to the end so she can beat their asses. Whatever. I know Marci thinks she's aesthetically pleasing with him. I'm not sure what to make of Erika's girl-crush, except it's kind of funny since Janey's so disdainful of her.

Anyway, my heart sank because Kaysar's my eye-candy and I want him to be safe as long as possible. I'm really deep as a puddle about the whole thing. Then my heart stopped sinking because I know these 2 will change their minds 55 times before every stepping up to the plate.

And now I'm thinking how cool it'd be to see Janey's reaction if Marci put up Kaysar and Howie. And to see his reaction to her reaction. Maybe she'd surprise me and be cool and collected about it, but since one of her weaknesses is her blind loyalty to Howie and Kaysar, I hope she'd go buxom.

I'm thinking it'd be cool if someone in this stupid house took a risk! As if getting rid of Will or Booger is really a risk anyway! Geez... If James wimps out and puts up CG and Will, I hope Kaysar and Janey have a change of heart and dump Will on his ass. That'd make for some DOOG TV!

It would be hilarious if Will went...but you'd need 5 votes. Dani is for sure one, if the Jedi turned on James that's three more...you'd need Marcellas or Erika (not totally out of the realm of possibility).

The way everyone has been flip-flopping in regards to who is going, it wouldn't suprise me in the least. Tee hee, hee hee, haa haa, bwaaaahhahahahahah! (I'm warming up my laugh just in case)

Good practicing, StepChylde!! I've been warming up my MUUWAHHHUAHHHAHAAs, too! Let's just hope it happens. Even more fun would be George winning the veto. Dani told James he had to think of THREE people just in case one used veto. But he thinks he's only picked ONE.

Ooo, I may have gotten my proof. I just overheard Dani and James in the HOH:



It does indeed sound like James, Boogie, Dani, and Will have some kind of pre-game understanding if not an out-and-out alliance. I hate pre-game "understandings." I hope it bites James in the ass. But it also sounds like Boogie's not playing to James' satisfaction.

But... I thought that James talked to those three in the HOH just in the last three days about an agreement? That doesn't necessarily indicate it was a pre-show alliance to me.

Then again, the pre-show thing doesn't bother me at all. Whether they made an agreement before show or after, they'll all turn on each other as people start getting voted out anyway.

I also rather like how season 6 has run the table on HOH so far, simply because it's driving everyone else nuts and creating all kinds of awesome tension and drama in the house. Those four will go eventually, and in the meantime if it makes everyone else turn on each other? I'm totally fine with that.

What I don't like, actually, is knowing as much as I've heard about who's playing for sequester because they need the money, who's just there for air time/still going on auditions, etc.

Drama, tears, frustration, competition, deceit, betrayal--this is why I watch Big Brother. I don't tune in to watch you struggle through your life/career, and certainly not for a second time. Oy.

If these people don't vote Will out this week, they are all dumbasses!

If Will goes, besides providing the best TV of the season to date, it will prove James isn't as smart as he thinks he is (shocking, I know). If he's paid attention to anything in BB, he should know that nominating someone as a pawn never works out. All Will has to do is act like a jackass Tuesday night, and they vote him out the next day, James' wishes be damned. I hope that happens, because the show has been really boring so far.

I agree completely. I really am tired of hearing them talk about basically their famewhory lives outside the house. The reality TV people are all an in-bred crowd in LA, and too many of them already know what each other's about. When total strangers are thrown together, you can actually have someone like James pretend to be a 9th-grade philosophy teacher. That's a stupid thing to pretend, but I like that people can use "who they are" to play the game. They can't do that this year, they all know each other or about each other far too much.

I think that George is definitely going this week, which sucks.

alright, let's be honest - how many people want to see KG win the veto and take himself off of the mac this week just to see James go crazy?

I do! I do! I hope BB is rigging it as I type. Last night James took Howie and Janey aside in the storage room when he had the big brain realization that "OMG! What if KG wins the Veto!" and said they needed to convince him to pull a Marcellas if he did win it. They wisely told him that was the dumbest thing they ever heard...it was kinda funny. Of course, he couldn't tell them that he has no one to back door because he's made deals with just about everyone in the house. Hilarity will ensue if KG wins veto.

ME!!! I want CG to win veto!! That'd be awesome. I have no idea what type of comp he could win, except a chance game.

The frustrating thing for me is that Will WANTS to go. His Igor, Boogtard, keeps trying to convince him it'll be OK if he doesn't go this week, he can go next week or the week after--which is the last kick-off before sequester. And you know, I want Will to go, too, because he doesn't want to be there or play the game. And I feel like going all Jeff Probst on his ass.

Even though I find Will entertaining, I'd rather he weren't in the house at this point. That being said, my life as a recapper/feed watcher would improve dramatically if Booger went instead of Will...I just cannot stand him.

Anyone know where I can see the recap of Jase's rap/rant on Janie? Can't find it!

eta Thanks for the video Snooky...caught the recaps this morning...what a tool!

Here are the videos. There are recaps in the recap thread, too:

Jase's nasty rap-1

Jase's nasty rap-2

I don't know...a part of me thinks Will is practicing reverse psychology. Perhaps he thinks if he keeps telling everyone he wants to go home, they'll keep him in the house because they don't want to seem like they're doing what he wants them to do. Will is such a skilled liar that he could make them believe he wants to go, yet also make them believe they're safe from him if he remains in the house. However, I admit that I want to think he's playing everyone and the constant whining is a strategy, because I would hate to think that what we're seeing is what the legendary Evil Dr. Will has truly become.

I turned off the feeds right before this, so I only saw the very start of Jase's ranting so thanks for the youtube pointers.

It's hard for me to say something bad about trash-talking when I sit around and try to think up snarky things to say about house guests every day and greatly enjoy things like "Busto", "Clown Whore", "BJen", etc. That said, I think we might know why there are no sharp knives allowed in the house - Jase has some anger issues that he really ought to get worked on, including a deep-seated hatred of women. According to Marcellus, Jase talks to/treats Diane like crap and he has a real problem with Janelle which he keeps secreted away until he starts drinking. The intensity of it is a little creepy and scary. What's he going to do if he gets put up on the block?

I want KG to stay too. It'd serve those self serving, non deserving fame whore right for treating him like the unwanted relative who sends birthday cards containg $$$ even though they never hear from you. Not the point of my post though.


It just dawned on me that the floaters can be HUGE in this game if they make it to sequester. Let's face it...say, for instance, we have Will and Kaysar as the final two. If all S6ers and CT's are in sequester, how do yo think the votes are going to be? For their alliance! Here's where the floaters are worth their weight in gold. They could be enough in number to sway the vote completely. Why have none of the HG's figured this out? If this has been addressed, my apologies, I missed it.

I think have 2 alliances in the house will be dull. There certainly won't be any surprise noms or votes. The All Star thing has been pretty predictable other than this culling of floaters and the pre-made alliances kinda take the fun out of everything IMO.

My take - for what it's worth - Casper's acting this way is his way of winning no matter what - if he gets voted out he can say he knew he was never going to win, he had the biggest target on his back, he wasn't even trying since he didn't have a chance, and he didn't really want to be in the house anymore anyway since the game isn't really that fun or good anymore. In Casper's mind, he wins because he controlled the situation and set the stage to be voted out. If he ends up hanging around and doesn't get voted out, because no one thinks he's playing seriously and they don't want to waste a nomination, followed by CT getting in a power postition - his whole attitude will change. He will say all his behavior was a "plan" to fool everyone and everyone was stupid not to see what he was doing. In his mind, he wins because he outsmated everyone. He is creating a personal scenario in which no matter what happens, voted out or kept in, he wins and winning to Casper is about proving he is smater and more clever than everyone - not only in the house but producers and audience as well. He gets voted out - "Fools, they wasted their vote since I was going to leave anyway". He stays - "Fools, the couldn't fathom my master plan to make them all think I wasn't a threat when all along it was all about the game".

The funny thing about it is that even though I don't think this is an actual "plan" so much as a rationale for how Casper wins no matter wht - it's kinda working out as a workable plan to go deep into the game. The "smart" players, kaysar and james, don't want to waste a nomination, or at least don't wont to waste the vote to get him out of the house, since they think he's gonna go anyway. When/if the floaters, CT, or MMS get HOH, they aren't going to go after Will either because they want his vote. In a strange way, Casper is everything James fears about George - the guy no one thinks can win who if they don't get out of the house sooner rather than later will end up going to final two because everybody will want to be paired against him in the final two.

I agree that all the talk is Will's way of saving face. Either he didn't even try to win, didn't want to be there, etc., when he gets voted out or it was all in his master plan if he makes it to the end.

If Will wins this thing he was truly the only "All Star" in the game, IMO.

Whatever went down in the Veto comp, I think it belongs in the BB Hall of Fame, just because CG winning it is going to shake up the game something fierce.

The irony is delicious too, since James the Veto King is all pissed off now about someone other than him winning the Veto, and it will mess up his plan. I love it!

If I were Janey and Howie, I'd be asking:

a) Why James is so flippin' ticked off about Will being forced out.

b) Why James sat there and shared is whining in front of BoogerBrain.

If James gets voted out next week, it will be because his own alliance puts him up!

If anything, this could buy James a week of safety. He could get rid of Will and no one, not even BoogerBrain, would blame him.

Heres what I don't get. James is SO pissed that CG isn't going home. It personally offends him that someone that "just lays around and snores" is still in the game. Is that somehow worse than someone that 'lays around and bitches about still being there', AKA Will????


CG and Will were both on the block. CG did EVERYTHING he had to to save himself. Sounds like Will did NOTHING.

Will wants out, doesn't want to win, and refuses to participate? Fine. Vote his ass out HGs.

I just cannot fathom the logic that CG is somehow less deserving than Will, yet the whole house feels this way for some reason. Freaking idiots, one and all.