I hope we are all prepared for at least a week of Marcellas parading around on his highest Diva Horse. "I won't be bullied" he sniffs to Booger and Will in the gym. Puh-leez. First of all, the only reason he went into the gym was to puff around a bit. As for the "bullying" Kaysar told him his vote might not be there for Marcellas when he needs it - to me that isn't bullying that is laying it on the line - everyone says how honest they want people to be, so there you go.

And that physical bullying he had to endure? Didn't happen so much like that as anyone who sees the tape will know. The confrontation with James was all Marcellus' doing...he was towering over a seated James pointing his finger at him. I actually admired James' restraint by only standing up to back Marcellas off. Watching that live was very sweet I must say and it was a really tense few moments. But bullying? By James? Nope.

Marcellas is going to be insufferable the next few days.

If Marcellus is going around saying that he was being physically bullied, he is seriously deluded. Your absolutely right - Marcellus was the one who get in James' face and was waving a finger in James' face. I don't care if it's my best friend or a stranger in the street - if they get six inches away from my face and start wagging a finger at me, its not going to stay that way for very long. They might kick my ass before it's all over but I'm not going ot just sit there and let them invade my space agressively. If anything, James was more restrained than most people would be if confronted with the same situation.

Marcellus is just as bad as Douchebag and Casper in his own way. He went on a fifteen minute rant about how he wasn't going to eat the oatmeal. He complains almost hourly that he thought BB All-Stars would be chock-full of luxery competitions and luxery items, etc. He complains about danielle still being in the game. He complains about everyone else's behavior. He complains about other people's nominations. He complains about how other people play the game. He just plain complains all the time about anything and everything.

Marcellas drives me nuts. He's a good liar because he believes what he's saying while he's saying it; he just easily convinces himself that he's justified in flipping after the fact. He's actually a lot like James IMO in that they both play very emotionally while convincing themselves they're strategic.

It was frustrating watching Kaysar get all arrogant over the last couple of days with the stupid Operation Oracle stuff. His strategy for the week was solid until he decided he wanted Nakomis to stay and wanted to play too hard to make it happen. Still, I prefer to the sovs to the other players (except Dani, whom I love) because a) while I don't hate floaters' game, I do find their gameplay boring from a viewer's perspective and b) at least the Sovs strategize, gameplay and try to win competitions...

It's frustrating to watch them screw up and misread things and annoying when Kaysar (who I can't quit) gives in to his fatal overthinking and arrogance. Good or bad, though, it's more interesting viewing to me than 5,000 shoutouts, trash talk, and watching folks keep their eyes open and their mouths shut.

That cracks me up? Has he never watched the show? Was he really ever on it - or was that his smarter twin?

This interchange pretty much sums up S6s arrogant flaws, and the superiority of the supposed "floaters"

James: you don't have to say names, just answer yes or no...blah blah blah blah, tough decision, blah blah blah
Chicken George: do I find this week to be a very tough decision? NO.

Chicken George deserves to win. (I know, he kind of messed up his exit, but he sure did give a good sound byte)

Marci is a huge drag in this game that's already dragging a bit too much to be called All Stars. Will and Booger are bad enough but at least they aren't whining. I didn't want Marci in, he bored me last time too. And Beau (who I hated most) and Bunky (who I liked), but come on, can't BB find someone gay with a real personality? At least the horrid Ivette had fire in her soul, these guys are/were boring, boring, boring!

I just want to share, for those of you who are S6 fans, that the other night when all four were in the HOH room talking and hashing out their plan and opinions, it really warmed the cockles of my cold, dead heart. I had major S6 flashbacks, and I realized I really genuinely like each and every one of the S6 folks. it gave me a brief happy, and for the first time I was genuinely glad BB decided to do All-Stars.

That is all.

Have you guys read the chat transcript with Lisa Donahue at Jokers?

In that chat, she admits that she was a part of a pre-arranged "super" alliance formed several weeks before the game. She admitted that it includes Marcellas (who admitted to Kaysar he had a pre-game alliance formed with Lisa), Will, Boogie, Diane, either Howie or James (her chat appears to say no, not James, but I'm not convinced--his actions have proven to me he's the one), and possible one other.

That is why Marcellas threw the fit he did -- he would never, ever vote to evict Diane. And I believe that is why James had Danielle working to save Diane. That is why James is causing such disharmony within the Sixers. IMO.

I'm so disgusted by the thought of the whole thing, I don't think I can even watch anymore. I haven't even turned on the feeds. The way they've set it up makes it nearly impossible for anyone else to win the game. They don't have to ever talk in the house, they can just set about sabotaging each of their separate (and fake) alliances made within the house.

Ok I'm totally editing my post because I just read the chat. Shesh there was more to the chat so re-editing.

Ok Lisa says there are 4 guys in this super-secret alliance. She basically names Marcellas, Will and Mike as three of them. She says there is a S6 member but it's not Kaysar or James. She says that Janelle was a maybe 2 weeks before the show started and that there was a back-up if Lisa didn't make it in. So I suppose Janelle could be her back-up but my gut says no to that one. Then again, I'm having a hard time believing Howie is in on this super-secret alliance so I'm wondering if Lisa is wrong about the S6 member.

She says there is at least one girl in this alliance - possible 2 (but she says Danielle is not the girl). She says one of the girls is nominated right now. Now most of us would think that means Diane but she also confirmed that MMS was true. That makes me wonder if there is going to be a suprise tomorrow and Nak stays. Now that would give the house something to talk about.

The interesting thing she says about James is that he is with someone in the house other than S6 that the house hasn't figured out yet (she says not Danielle because the house has already considered that). Now I'm not really sure how she would know that about James but it is something interesting to consider. I honestly have no idea who is left - Erika?

Anyway.... Lisa little chat made things take on a new light but I have to say I don't think pre-made alliances are unfair. They've been talking about All Stars since last summer and everyone but George and maybe Danielle seems to have a teammate. I predict Danielle will be fine and George probably shouldn't be there anyway. It doesn't seem stacked against anyone in my opinion.

Danielle is NOT in the alliance.

If James is not, why has he been stirring up such trouble within the Sixers? Lisa said that one of the Sixers was in the group. She also said "yes" at one point when someone said was it Kaysar, but later retracted that.

Last night, James was sending information to Will via Danielle.

The advantage of a pre-arranged alliance is, they don't have to talk to one another AT ALL in the house to set anything up. That's a huge advantage in a place where two people can't talk without everyone suspecting there's an alliance. They know who their alliance is, and all they have to do is protect them, while destroying the game of someone with whom they make an alliance within the house. Kind of like what both Marcellus and James did this week.

I edited my post because I read the chat, but she said a definate no to Kaysar and she said no to James twice. She did say he has a non-season six teammate but that he was not part of the super-secret one she was.

Why was James causing trouble? Because he is James and he freaks out easily. Because he gets paranoid easily. Because Howie nominated him last year and he trusts no one! And because he seriously did not understand Kaysar's nominations. Remember he originally wanted Nak and Diane to stay and Mike to go. I seriously don't think he's the one.

BUT I'm not sure Lisa is right about any S6er being on board. She said no to James and Kaysar. Howie was never brought up but that would REALLY surprise me. She said that Janelle was a maybe 2 weeks before the show and that there were back-ups in place if someone didn't get in. So that might mean that Lisa thinks Janelle was her back-up but she might be wrong.

ETA: Lisa's number don't make perfect sense. First she says 4 people, then she says 4 guys and a girl. Then she says 4 guys and one - possible two girls. I think there is a chance that at some point she was trying to confuse the chat so we don't figure it all out. She says the girl - or one of the girls - is nominated right now. It's going to be really interesting tomorrow if Nak ends up staying.

I don't know about any of this but remember that Will, Booger and Marcellas had dinner at Dolce about a month before the show. The odd thing is is that info came to us via a drunken Booger who was supposedly spilling the beans to Howie. If Howie was in on it, why would Booger bother to tell Howie that maybe Marcellas couldn't be trusted? But, Kaysar told Janey (or did Janey tell Kasar?) that they knew Howie was supposed to be at that meeting. Also remember the little meeting at the swimming pool a few days ago with Booger and Marcellas - Marcellas kind of warned him that he needed to settle down and not get drunk like that again. Not sure what it all means though....

And just for the record, I hate the idea of pre-made alliances, but there is no way to prevent them...other than to pick people from all across the country who never met each other before...oh, wait, that might work...

Lisa said they hardly speak, there are about four of them, at least one girl, and two have big targets on their backs.

does that necessarily mean that the ones with big targets on their back need to be will/boogie? if I read it right, lots of people asusmed Will/boogie, and she didn't deny it- but she didn't confirm, either. Please correct me if I misread that. Because I am thinking why couldn't "big targets" and "nominated" overlap? they needn't be separate. Also, since Marcellus is so foten referred to as "one of the girls" that could account for the "oops sorry there are 4 guys" comment.

some things I have noticed-

Will and Kaysar are playing a pretty good, although too obvious, game of good cop/bad cop.

We have already seen Marcellas and Erika in secret conversation.

Jase and Erika hardly speak (????)
Howie and Nakomis OR Diane hardly speak

this???
Will Kaysar Erika Marcellas Diane

or this????
Howie Jase Marcellas Nakomis Will

Or if it's really a set-up, it should probably be from different seasons, don't you think?

Marcellas Howie Will Erika Nakomis (who is actually a man? hee)

Well, it's just stuff to think about.

In that chat they ask Lisa if she would nominate Will and Mike if she was the HoH. She says she would never nominate them (hint) and adds a smiley face.

I believe that is why people have concluded her alliance was with Marcellas, Will and Mike at the very least.

If Nak stays tomorrow, I'm sure she's the girl.

I'm still unsure about the S6 member though.

ETA: After giving this Lisa chat way too much thought, there is a part of what she says that seems a bit off. She says that the super-secret alliance had "back-ups" for anyone who wasn't a "sure thing" to make it in the house. Well how does one recruit a "back-up" before they all enter the house? Would the alliance have just been bigger if both the main person and the back-up made it in? Perhaps this is why Lisa's numbers don't totally add up - she knows which girls were considered but she isn't sure who made the cut?

I don't care for pre-made alliances, it's bad enough they already know of or know each other and they know each other's game playing, but to also have pre-made alliances, that's a big rip off. I want to see them play the game, not play fool-the-audience, while making fun of us for watching. If that's the way it's going to be, the producers might as well hand out scripts.

Maybe I'm just being naive, but I don't think any of the S6 people would betray their alliance with another pre-made secret alliance. The only one of them I could see doing that would be James, and if Lisa said he wasn't involved, I doubt any of the S6ers are.

I do think that James and Danielle have an alliance (or at least some sort of "understanding"), but I'm not convinced that that originated outside of the house. They've had a few private conversations in the house.

In any case, isn't it a contract violation for them to come into the house with pre-determined alliances? And if Lisa is spilling that info, isn't she risking getting herself (or the houseguests who made it back in) into some trouble? I don't know, something about this just doesn't seem right.

Danielle is playing the same game that she did last time. James is her Jason.

James is playing the same game he did last year. He says he's not, but he really is. Just wait until the S6ers aren't in power any longer. Bet he flips on them faster than Kerry in a debate.

Lisa might also be talking out of her ass at the producers' request to stir up interest in what has been a somewhat lackluster "all-stars."

That's my guess, too. I don't think any of the hammies could keep up these super secret alliances amongst themselves for this long, much less keep them secret from live feed viewers.

I'm down with that, mostly...especially considering the Lisa and Joker's thing, and the Toni Ferrari (see realitybbq) thing. I could see the producers calling Lisa, and exploiting the Toni thing to get interest up in this otherwise boring season. I could just as easily see the famewhores stirring things up themselves because they're looking for another 15 seconds of fame on the reality bus.

Unless that's what all of Will's singing is about.... he sends the feeds to flames then they talk strat real fast. :)

The beginning of Lisa's chat makes sense because it involved Will, Mike and Marcellas. Well Will and Mike are obvious. I could buy adding Marcellas into that. But then it gets more complicated and it starts to not add up.



Yeah I'm probably naive as well, but I don't want to think any of them would betray the others - at least not until the time comes that two of them are nominated and they have to fight to stay in the house. Heck, I'd like to think that once one of them is gone, the remaining three will still work together.

merlin

But wouldn't there still be tape of that? Even when the feeds go to flame Skippy is still filming. CBS could throw us a bone and show some of these secret strategy sessions on the broadcast.

If CBS had tape of a super-secret alliance they would probably be showing it. Especially if one of the S6ers was betraying the others by teaming up with Mike and Will.

I have a hard time believing certain people in that house can keep this big of a secret - Mike and Marcellas for starters. Lisa probably took something that is true and made it sound bigger than it actually is.

So if we had all these super-secret pre-show alliances, how come no one talks about them in the Diary Room? They wouldn't have to say how they entered into the alliance, just say that we're working together to take out the rest of the house.

Danielle gave us the scoop between her and Jason early on in Season 3 but we have yet to hear anything from her about James yet.

Marcellas has been so adamant about getting rid of Chilltown that I have a hard time believing that he's in an alliance with them.

After thinking over everything, I am feeling that the "super secret power alliance" is a sham. (For the record, although I sure WISH chicken george was some kind of smart, good guy, I may have to back away from that, too.)

BB is a combination of TV and inter-tainment. Producers read the boards, so why couldn't they manipulate chats, too?

I think maybe we are all over-analyzing and giving too much credit for complicated long term strategizing on everyone's part- producers, players, and watchers. Even the hamsters know it all changes week to week, so long term isn't a sure thing. I think that's the fascination of the whole thing- It CAN change from week to week and day to day. So it probably doesn't pay for anyone to think too far ahead in any concrete or complex way, other than a few if/then scenarios. Including producers. Because even if they ARE giving out scripts, they are also watching all kinds of responses to determine ratings, so the scritps themselves are going to change week to week, too. There are just too many variables.

For me, the beginning and end of the seasons are the least interesting anyway. Too many variables in the beginning, too few in the end. So I know that I, for one, am just searching for things to get interested in. Because, frankly, I am disapointed in the whole thing. Especially the Hamsters. They ALL seem either repetitive, whiny, or boring, or all three at once.

I think Danielle and James had an agreement before coming into the house. Kaysar said he is the one who gave James Danielle's phone number, whether that means anything more than that, I don't know. James did trust Danielle enough to have her tell Will that he (James) wasn't coming after him. However, James could not get Danielle to vote to keep Nakomis so I think if the two of them were totally tight she would have voted with him. James should take note of this.

But then again, that's the genius of it...who would ever suspect that James and Danielle ARE aligned, if they don't even VOTE the same?? James HAD to vote Diane to keep in semi-tight with S6, and Danielle had to vote Nak to purposely distance herself from S6 (thus, James). Since neither Diane nor Nakomis factor integrally into either's strategy, it's a really smart move by them both.

It's hard to tell, conclusively, about any of this. The world of the has-been reality tv famehwhores is an incestous place where everyone one seemingly knows everyone one else at the very least. The idea that these people didn't talk to others and try to shore up friendships and voting blocs is just impossible not to imagine. By the same token, famewhores are notoriously narcissistic - to the point that their vision of reality is somewhat seriously comprimised. What one famewhore could think is an alliance - another famewhore would simply say is a friendship. What one famewhore thinks is a super secret super alliance could really just be an over-sold version of an alliance to get others to fall into line once they got into the house.

Alright, that said - how could this super secret alliance be working?

OK, let's start with Jase, Will, Boogie, Marcellus, Erika and, possibly, James. Each seem to have someone else in the house they are cultivating for some sort of friendship. Marcellus is with Janey. Erika is with Kaysar. Jase is with ?. Will/Boogie are with Howie. Diane is with Nakomis. James is with Danielle. I don't know how Alison and George fit into this but let's say George wasn't planed for/involved and that Alison wasn't in the alliance but just supposed to be minded by someone else.

just thinking out loud...any other thoughts?

one last thought - knowing will and boogie are involved, could the so-called secret alliance be not merely an attempt at being stealthy with the other famewhores but actually stealthy to the point that they are trying to hide their alliance from the BB TPTB?

The two of them may have agreed later that this looks good, but in the heat of it all the other night and in a private conversation between the two, James told Danielle that they really needed her vote but she needed to do what was best for her. James looked about one step away from begging her for here vote and the best she did was agree to talk to Nak. I don't believe James and Danielle's private conversation would have went down like this if they were doing the "let's vote different so it looks good" thing - there would have been no need for it.

With Will involved, the whole thing could have been a lie he invented to mess with people in the house period.

He wears a shirt that reads "I'm probably lying" so why would anyone believe any alliance, deal, promise, etc... with him is the real thing?

God, I hope that's true. My heart sank when I read about this Super Secret Alliance. For me, such a pre-existing alliance would ruin the game. The fun of the stupid show is watching the strategy sessions, deals made, relationships form and break, understandings get misunderstood--all of that is why I watch. If there are alliances so secret we never hear a word of it, it's boring! If there are noms being made and votes cast where no one watching sees the rationale, it's nothing but a farce. I'm not so much bothered by a two-person pre-show friendship or understanding. But any true alliance of a majority of the house means the game is fixed, as far as I'm concerned.

Also, are they sure this is the real Lisa? And if so, isn't she under some kind of contract not to talk about the game, or did that instantly vanish when she went into the house? (I doubt that--CBS isn't that dumb. They'd give her hush money at least until the season ended). And, aren't pre-existing alliances verbotten? I know I heard Nak and Diane talking about that several times.

On a lighter note, check out Aldav's latest video.

I'm with you on this Snooky. If all the scheming took place off of camera and out of the house, then there isn't much point in watching the feeds or the show - unless the plan comes out in the open or, at the very least, we are let in on the plan.

I agree with that every year at first I think OMG! this is boring, I hate all of them, then I get totally involved by the 3rd or 4th week. By the ending you can usually see where it's going and it can get boring again, not always. Last year the ending kept me on the edge of my seat, I kept begging stupid Ivette to dump on the horried Maggie, but she never got the clue. By all that's right with the Universe, how could someone like Maggie win??? It still makes me see red.

Edited to remove excessive bold text -- Mags

Bleh, Maggie! I stopped watching at some point because of her. To make matters worse, my roommate LOVED her...and still does. Luckily he never figured out I was lacing his food with laxitives after her reign. Heehee, just an evil recap day dream folks...

Regardless of the others, James and Danielle defnitely have something going between them. Caught it on the feeds a couple nights ago (Tuesday night).

They aren't quite so super-secret about it as they think, though, because since the beginning every other hamster in the house has said something about Danielle and James working together.

Ok so I finally figured out what feels so different about this season. In past seasons, the alliances that formed out of the starting gate were all eeeevil: Chilltown, 4 Horsemen, Chiara Roddy & Eric (did they even name theirs?) etc... and the rest of the "good" houseguests all banded together (initially anyway) to fight against them. This time, the S6ers were the most clearly defined big group and when the other hammies started banding together against them it feels wrong somehow.

Not really significant, but it just came to me. It was bugging me why things felt so different this time around and I couldn't put my finger on it till now.

It was kinda nice this season knowing all the names and voices on the feeds right off the bat.

James is HOH this week? Ooooh I bet "King" Kaysar just pooped in his pants a little.

Probably not half so much as Turd Town did.

Are you saying that you think James is going to nominate Kaysar?

Almost no chance James nominates any of S6 this week...it's way too early to turn on his main alliance.
I think his choices are between taking out CT, M&MS (which I have to say after watching Jase sit on the couch and ignore Diane after she was safe made me think perhaps that alliance is real), or putting up one of each. I think James and Danielle have a side alliance, and I don't think he fears Marcellus...so if he went for floaters it would be George or Erika.
Here's the funny thing that I've noticed (and forgive me if anyone has beat me to the punch)...each of the Season 6 has seemed to take a 'floater' under their wing. James has Dani, Kaysar has Erika, Howie has George, and Janey has Macellus...I don't know if that was a plan, or if it just fell that way...but as a strategy that's pretty good because your alliance of 4, has a chance of pulling some extra 'floater' votes if S6 gets nominated. The more weeks that go by, the more those 4 have a chance to build those other bonds and help get Boogie, Will, Diane and Jase out first if possible.

I wasn't at home tonight so I missed the eviction. No real surprise that is was Nak though.

But James won HoH? I knew he had it in him. And Holy cow! This is going to be a paranoid, fun-filled week.

Well, assuming James doesn't become a total dipshit and nominate one of his own, at least two of the Jedi have made it to the Jury.

No, I don't think he will nominate Kaysar but I think he'll make him squirm a little. Hee hee. After all that Oracle b.s., Kaysar needs to be knocked down a bit.

I'm thinking Booger and Jase may be the way to go with James' noms.

If James gets Mike or Will out of the house it will take a lot to knock me off his love train.

It'll be interesting to see how James handles this. James, the guy who always second-guesses, trash-talks and nitpicks everybody else's decisions. I bet he paranoys a lot.

I wonder how James is going to explain his noms to Marcellas if he puts up "floaters." Not that he owes him an explanation, but James went on and on to Marcellas about how stupid Kaysar's noms were (to cast Kay and Janey in a bad light.) Interesting to see what he does but I think we just got a preview as his sidekick Danielle just told WB that she didn't think they would be nominated.

I halfway expect him to freak out so badly that when the time comes, he nominates himself.

here are the early odds on james nominations:

KG - 6/5
Jase 2-1
Boogie 4-1
Erika 5-1
Marcellus 5-1
Will 7-1
Howie 10-1
Diane 15-1
Janelle 25-1
Kaysar 25-1
Danielle 99-1

My husband who "hates Big Brother" but yet makes me pause it when he goes to bathroom..is convinced that James will turn on S6. I tried to explain to him that I don't think hes that stupid its only week 3.

So I guess I just wanted to say Im hoping that he will nominate the booger or the Dr.

Also..In all the seasons has anyone actually gotten a penalty nomination or is it just an urban legend?