This didn't seem to be captured in detail on the feeds here, but on another site I read that Nakomis went right to Boogie and told him about James/Janelle approaching her about a deal, and that James had wanted Boogie on the block with Diane, which caused Boogie to declare that James was definitely now #1 on the hit list. Nakomis is just not on the S6 side. Kaysar makes some bonehead moves at times, but a lot of times his initial instincts are right, it's when he tries to turn them into complicated strategies that things go wrong.

If ever the phrase "Holy Hell" was called for, the time is now. I fall asleep for 20 minutes and wake up to find that not only have Janelle and James talked to Nakomis (about keeping her and dumping CT), which they decided they were going to wait to do until tomorrow, but Nakomis has crawled in bed with Booger and told him everything. Gah! Holy Hell! My, my, this was a baaaddd move. Holy Hell.

They still have until Wednesday for the plan to fall apart, so I'm just hoping they catch onto Nakomis' CT connection by then and get her out of the house. Although, really, this doesn't change their circumstances all that much. Everyone who was gunning for them before still is. They still need HoH to not take a hit next week.

But seriously, what is their obsession with Nakomis? I just don't get why Kaysar, James, or Janelle thought they could swing her. I mean, they know she was fighting against them last week with the Alison plan, the thrust of which was "Kill Janelle". They've gotta know she desperately wants them gone. So stupid.

Wow talk about a stupid ass move on Nak's part. Even if she had no intention on working with season six, why in the world wouldn't she wait until they convinced Erika to take her off the block?

I didn't watch season five, but a lot of people kept talking about what a good player she was. This does not leave me convinced. Mike can not keep his mouth shut. Hell, there is a good chance that Mike will now take this information back to Kaysar because he is not going to want to be nominated!

Mike will hope that this drives a divide with Kaysar and James/Janelle. He might even tell Kaysar that they are the two top targets of S6 (which others have said).

So Mike gets the news to Kaysar in time and he convinces Erika not to use Veto and Nak gets her butt evicted this week for the big betrayal of James and Janelle. Dumbass.

I think WB will have to weigh two things: 1) Keep Diane or Nakomis now...if Nak stays S6 thinks she is with them, she gets HOH and puts up James/Janelle...and we'd have to listen to a very self-important morality-laced speech by Nak, gah. Smarter move by WB to keep Nak now over Diane if they can all keep their mouths shut about what they know. 2) Consider going to Kaysar, telling him what they know, using the whole fair-play, honor, integrity, we-respect-you-even-if-your-own-team-doesn't plan...Kaysar will be so pissed about what Janelle/James did that he may go for asking Erika to use the veto to put James on the block. I think he is going to be so upset that the two of them went behind his back that he is capable of doing anything. He would put up James because there is so much animosity between the two of them. He will also reason that S6 will be less of a target with one less of them around, which he has already said.

Does anyone know if Diane, or anyone else, was there when Nak told Booger about all of this? I think they were alone but I'm not positive.

James and Janelle *must* tell Kaysar what they did before Kaysar finds out on his own. I think he will go ballistic if he gets caught off guard with the news and worked over by WB. If it was just Janelle I think he'd blow it off, but with James in the mix I'm not so sure.

I also think that Nak would have worked with Kaysar, now not unless J/J are gone....And if any of you missed that crazy group therapy session from last night, consider yourself lucky.

Kaysar didn't let James in on the nominations and it seems like Janelle has always been unsure of Kaysar's picks. I'm pretty sure I read them running this very plan by Kaysar so even if he wasn't 100% behind it - he can't be too surprised by it.

A lot depends on what Mike decides to do with what Nak told him. I just can't see how this plays out in her favor. She was given a lot of power by James and Janelle and she went and gave it all to Mike. She could have gotten herself vetoed and then campaigned to save Diane.

Instead Mike can now sell out Nak with Kaysar to prevent himself from getting nominated in her place. He can tell Diane that Nak had the chance to save them both but blew it.

I mean Mike might not be that bright but he will tell Will everything and Will is bright enough to spin this all in their favor. I think Nak is going to be on the losing end - big time.

No kidding!! I was happy to think Nak might get in with the S6, since she seems left out a lot of the time, but with such a boneheaded move, I won't be sad if she ends up leaving now, especially if it costs S6 down the line. I'm starting to admire James and his courage to stir things up, though.

The other dumb move was talking to Nak before they secured Erika's agreement to even use the veto. Chilltown thinks she's with them. She might not want to be in a position where her loyalty to either side comes into question.

I *hope* this is bad for Nakomis and not S6, but I'm not thinking it will work out that way. I don't think WB really cares which one, Diane or Nakomis, stays - just now it seems like Nak can do WB dirty work and shock the hell out of S6 if she and WB are quiet about it. S6 may even *want* Nak to win HOH to go after WB but she'll go after S6 instead.

Yeah, J/J did mention to Kaysar that they wanted to talk to Nak, he said no though, that he was working on it and wanted to do it himself - that it would be stupid to just go up to her and make her an offer. He was totally correct, unfortunately.

I am also really, *really* surprised that James would think telling Nak that they didn't like Kaysar's noms was a good idea. How is it ever good to give out such private info on your alliance? It totally reveals to that person the dissention in the ranks. I'm not sure if it was Janelle or James who actually said this to her, but still, James is way better at strategy than Janelle and he should have known better. J/J need to figure a way to cover their asses on this comment because Kaysar will smell the truth in it.

Well the appearance of dissention in the ranks of the season sixers isn't a bad thing - especially for Kaysar. It's only bad if they really do start going against each other. If they let this go and still work together - all will be fine. They do still need each other and up until now they all have realized it. Hopefully they won't forget now.

At the very least I think Mike and Will will go to Kaysar and make sure they don't get backdoored if Nak comes off. Nak did tell Mike that James and Janelle want him nominated didn't she? Even if they say the target is Diane, why would Mike want to risk being the pawn who gets sent home?

If the season sixers stick together, things aren't really any worse for them. I mean let's face it - Kaysar needs cover to hide behind as much as anyone else. Why wouldn't he let that cover be James and Janelle? He may not be happy with James over this, but he can still use him.

I really think this all blows up in Nak's face and she goes home this week (unless of course Mike keeps his mouth shut, but that will shock me more than George winning HoH).

I'm actually on J/J's side on this one. They're the ones who have wanted to get Nak off the block from the start. And Kaysar's whole "let me do it, it's my plan" thing is exactly what he did with Will/Boogie, in that it makes it appear that there's goodwill between him and them, but that it has nothing to do with the rest of the S6'ers. Had Kaysar done it himself, I think J/J would be in the exact situation they are now...Nakomis would've just spared Kaysar, and gone after J/J. J/J are the ones actually voting, so I don't think going to Nakomis and telling her that they're the ones who'll be saving her if she stays was that wrong of a move. The wrong move was wanting her to stay in the first place, and that one's Kaysar's mistake as well.

And Kaysar also fed the flames about dissension in the ranks when he let Boogie and Will think (correctly, but still) that he was the only S6'er who didn't want them on the block. I think James and Janelle have woken up to the fact that they are going to take all the hits for S6 and they're scrambling to save their own asses. It's not working, but the good news for them is that they couldn't really make the targets on them much bigger so they're really not any worse off than they were yesterday.

And I agree with those who think that Nak isn't going to pay the price for this move. I can't see who's going to rat her out to S6, so they're gonna end up saving her and they're just gonna have to hope that she at least decides to throw HoH for awhile, since she'll know she's safe from them.

Yeah, I agree that J/J are doing what they have to do too. I just think they went about it the wrong way - they should have told Kaysar before they did this. Just laid it out for him they way he has done for them: Yeah, we're still together but like you said Kays, the HOH makes the decisions that are right for their individual game, and so do the people who vote. So we gotta try to change this thing for our benefit too.

The problem is that they told Kayser they wanted to talk to Nak to get her on their side, but J/J went a couple steps further by talking about taking her off the block and putting up Booger. That part is Kaysar's decision, although I don't know why he wouldn't want to at least throw Jase under the bus.

They also failed to talk to Airika first, so they are gonna look dumb when she says that she's not using the veto. She'll probably hide behind Kayser saying she doesn't want to go against his noms, but really doing it for her WB alliance. Anyway, she is much more in Kaysar's pocket than Janelle's, why hang with the biggest target?

I just think Kaysar is going to be hurt and pissed and feel like they are undermining his noms....shit might hit the fan today so Skippy better be on his toes.

If Nak goes this week at least she has shook up the BB6'ers and I do believe they will turn on each other, will be great TV!!! See Nak is a great player in shaking things up! :D

And maybe it wasn't a dumb move, how do we know what she is thinking, maybe she has a great plan?

The thing about James is that he's got a right to do whatever he needs to do in the game. But he's screwing it up for himself and later on, if the shit hits the fan and he's nominated, he'll blame everybody but himself. Sure, he has a right to approach Nakomis, but he didn't think it through. He was convinced that Nakomis hates Chilltown for some reason. Even Howie said, "dude, when she's wtih them she's telling them she hates us." But James is too convinced of his own brains for his own good so he went straight to her with blunt half truths and things he has no place to say. He gets really stupid when he's paranoid and desperate. Blame Kaysar for some of his paranoia and desperation, but James' response to it is all on him. I mean, hello...he's not HOH, he's not Veto holder, he's not on the block. He should be laying low this week. It's like last year when he swore on the bible and didn't tell his alliance about it before the other team told them. He misses the human element like whoa.

I'll co-sign that qwendy...

Can somebody explain to me WHY Kaystar did not put up Dr. Giggles and Booger? Everybody in the house wants Dr. Giggles gone. So they vote out Dr. Giggles, leaving Booger alone to do whatever. Booger already wants S6 out. It's not like getting rid of Dr. Giggles can make that worse.

That I agree with. But for some reason James and Janey seem to be top of everyone's hit list anyway. I'm not sure he made himself worse off - he just didn't do himself any favors.




If they turn on each other this early over something this small - I will turn on them as well. That would just be stupid. The way I see it as long as Diane, Nak, Jase, Will or Mike go home this week, the S6ers are better off.

I don't expect the S6ers to stay in power and I don't expect them not to campaign against each other if 2 of them are on the block, but they don't need to take each other out like Howie did last year.

Haunted Rain - Well, his big strategy talk is that you need to leave the other big targets in the house to deflect noms away from S6, and to not start a war with WB. I don't know if he believes this or not. I for sure think he realizes that it takes heat off of him directly though and will make someone else from S6 have to go after WB.

Thanks, FoolMoon. That does explain a lot. I just can't remember everything with all these hammies in the house. Too much going on.

On topic... I think Kaystar has screwed not only the pooch, but RWJ and Janey. This only makes me feel more strongly that Howtard is going to pull a Cowtard.

Now, Nak and Marcy are whining together...Nak says the rich get richer, the poor get poorer...she thought she was going to have good game-play and conversations....gotta believe "the rich" are WB. Now, why, oh why, did she go blab to Booger last night? I do not think she has another plan, and I don't think she is playing Marcy with this talk. I really don't get her game at all.

If Nak and Diane wanted to save themselves, there is still time for them to work with S6ers and throw Jase under the bus. Or Mike. Or Will. They just have to try.

Someone in chat was asking about this. This is the webpage that describes the bb slop: http://www.cbass.com/PROD06.HTM

It's not that kaysar is afraid of :::shuddering that I'm allowing myself to use this ridiculous name:::chilltown...kaysar is afraid of making splitting the house down the middle so that it's season six versus everyone else - looking like he cut a deal with the next most feared group keeps people thinking from focusing solely on season six as the power in the house....kaysar IS thinking about the alliance as a whole and how to try and keep every season sixer out of the crosshairs..janey and james are thinking about themselves and how to keep themselves from being in the crosshairs

Here's what I think tonight-

Howie's not the one trick pony, Kaysar is. He may cover it up, but he did his nominations for the exact same reasons, with the exact same rationale, as he did maggie/eric. It was perfect under the circumstances then. It's a mistake now. More than that, it shows a lack of strategy, relying on the same old "I want to shake people up and and sit back and watch from my pedestal, and I am too regal to be brought down" I expected a lot more from him. Tragic hero, anyone?
In summary-

Kaysar's a one trick pony
Howie's a one trick jackass
If Janey has any brains, she will realize neither one is reliable transportation.

I'm kind of over the whole S6 thing. Make some NEW contacts. You don't have to ally, just reach out a little. I overheard Mike Boogie in the diary room coining the phrase "seasick" and I had to smile. Maybe I will change my mind back, but right now they just seem too insular. Oh, another thing. The winners have been predominantly female. Perhaps that is why the 8/6 split?

I just rewatched the first half of the first show, before deleting it permanently from my DVR (and quite possibly my memory banks.) One thing I noticed--the announcer at the beginning said the hammies would compete for food, luxuries, and power. During "luxuries," they showed the damned f'en pool table and swimming pool and hot tub--not ONE of which did they have to compete for. Why?? Other seasons they've had to earn the right to unlock the hot tub. Why do these "stahs" get such special treatment at Camp Big Brother? Will was whining earlier for a Monopoly board. BB should divide them into teams and have them compete for the privilege of using it for two hours (hell, it's Monopoly, make it three hours). Then we'll see more pissed off hammies, and that's always fun. C'mon, BB, come up with more stuff to energize these dull people!

As I mentioned in chat, Kaysar's potentially tragic flaw is his reliance on game theory that's purely academic. It won't be as effective as he expects because he's totally misinterpreting the social data in front of him. Sometimes the obvious is not hiding something deeper. Lest we forget: who took their finger off the button and got sent packing because of game theory?

This may be CBS, but it ain't Numb3rs.

Actually, I just thought of another potential flaw: he's there to play the game, but does that mean he's there to really win Big Brother? While he may play to win, could his focus be more on play rather than win, on the challenge rather than victory? I'm not sure he understands that distinction. And that's what will frustrate his allies, undermine their trust, and get his 3rd strike out of the Big Brother house.

Otherwise, he's totally likeable (unless you're part of tool town).


Protein ("whey, soy, wheat, defatted egg & milk, casein") enhanced oatmeal. Yum... 'scuse me while I go hurl.

Perhaps the editing guys are learning a thing or two from The Amazing Race...


when Erika was hitting on Kaysar, he was seen stroking his cuestick during pool.


and when, Dr. Will was discussing plastic surgery, the camera cut to Erika and Janelle?

Bwah!!




I really, really wanted to see Diane's meltdown. Now I have to wait until Tuesday!! [/whine]

See, though, I think to some extent, they are trying. James is working over Danielle, Janey has Marcellas, Kaysar tried to work CT and has Erika as well, and Howie is, well, being nice to CG and has his little showmance with Will.


I just know that Alison had to have found that completely hilarious. Or she seduced an editor into showing that.

So why are the Hammies complaining about the slop. According, to the ad (see above link), it's delicious.

just saying.

Amen, uaintjak. The plan has flaws (like Kaysar being all secretive about it and not filling in his crew), and it would have worked better if James had been in on it from the beginning.

I was listening to the Kaysar debacle all night long and went back and forth on whether or not I was with the plan or against the plan, trying to decide if Kaysar was just a clueless ass. Then I switched out to the patio for about 10 minutes of Will and Boogie talking about how great they are at playing the game (while having no earthly idea what was actually going on inside the house) and realized yet again that Kaysar, for all his arrogance, is still six times the player these two are. They're still playing the Season Two game. That may have been great in Season Two, but this is Season Seven. Get a new shtick.

I was thinking the same thing, ShyLurkerGuy. In addition, Kaystar is mistakenly expecting everyone else to react to things the way he would. Actually, what's even worse, Kaystar is in denial about how HE reacts to things. He's just not realistic enough.

I think Kaystar (and Janey, last week) made a mistake in not going after Chilltown because the house is ALREADY split into two groups. Every other alliance AND every individual has been wanting to get rid of Season Six since they got in the house. (Except maybe George.) The fact that some Season Sixers are in denail about that or can't recognize that is their biggest problem.

So, they should have gone after Dr. Giggles right away because Dr. Giggles (the brains of Chilltown) is their biggest threat. This would not have caused more problems for Season Six, because, after season six, Chilltown is the other group (and Dr. Giggles is the other individual) that everybody else wants out. I don't think there would have been a revolt (by the other hammies) if Dr. Giggles were on the block.

Going after Chilltown would not have created bigger problems for Season Six. It would have eliminated either their biggest threat or part of their biggest threat. And that is good in the short run and in the long term.

Here's one thing to consider... if Janey had targeted Dr. Giggles in the first week, Jass would not be so far up his ass right now. Chilltown has gained a member since they entered the house. And Booger is making friends all over. Dr. Giggle should be gone and Booger should be on the block and packing right now. Instead, Chilltown grows stronger.

I'm exhausted from recapping the mega-conflict of last night, but I find it fascinating, too.

I agree, Kaysar is being too academic, and making things much more complex than they need to be. He was also being stupid in not stating who he wants gone when his alliance kept asking him. Instead he kept throwing it back at them, until finally they all said "We HAVE told you what we thought!" He also keeps blathering about thinking two or three moves down the road, but then later said you can't predict who will wih HOH (which is true) which is what Howie and Janey keep trying to do. So, if you can't predict who will win HOH, how can you even strategize for three weeks from now, Kaysar? And what exactly do you see as the moves for those weeks? He never really spelled it out.

Which left James, the other really strategic thinker, even more suspicous than before. James recognizes that Kaysar's moves are really about self-preservation, which is leading him to think he has a secret deal with Chill Town. I wouldn't be surprised if the group splits, or if they were really smart, they'd at least pretend they have.

As for CT, I'm having MAJOR S2 flashbacks. The same crap happened: Boogie and Will had most of the house outside partying and acting like fratboys while the ones who didn't like doing that (Bunky, Hardy, Nicole, Kent) or didn't want to put up with Will's constant mean teasing were ostracized as "uncool." Gah, I want both of the gone so bad. Maybe it's not "strategic," but it would make living in the house easier, something that matters to Janey and Marci, and because they're his allies, he NEEDS to hear them--but he won't.

I was also annoyed that Kaysar got on Janey for telling Booger she didn't like being called Queen Bee. Booger tried to spin it as a compliment. Kaysar said not to ruffle feathers, but I say BULLSHIT. Stand up to W&B--they're bullies, so put them in their place! Kaysar's new laid-back (chickenshit?) approach has cost him major points with me.

Kaysar's strategy in getting rid of floaters could be a viable one, but there are huge flaws. First, if your strategy is to get rid of floaters, fine-- but there's no sense at all in not getting rid of the stronger floater of the two that are up. One less person that's smarter than you and can win HoH from you is a good thing. In this scenario, Nakomis should go. Second, his arrogance is blinding him to the importance of keeping the people that are already on his side on board and trusting him, creating serious division in his greatest strength-- numbers.

However, if you look at it from the point of view as Kaysar playing an individual game, it works for him. The gratitude he thinks Nakomis is going to express is going to be expressed toward him, not his alliance as a whole. And, I think he feels he has a tacit alliance with Nakomis, that he'll most likely try to strengthen before the actual vote on Thursday. He's also taken the target off of himself personally by making what looks like such a dumbass move-- voting off the weakest player in the house. He's most likely going to be last in line of the S6 to get targeted after this.

So he could be playing brilliantly for himself, by essentially selling out Howie, Janelle, and James-- his arrogance is his downfall, however-- think jury.

Nakomis could very well win this game.

I haven't read the recaps from last night, but I have to wonder - just how big of a threat are Will and Mike?

Everyone keeps talking about Chilltown being a huge, mega threat. Will and Mike go on and on about it in the Diary Room. But how many competitions have they won? Jase, Diane, and Nak are much bigger threats when it comes to competitions.

What Will - and just Will - is good at is manipulation. But who changed the course of the house in evicting Allison? Erika did.

This isn't season two. Mike and Will are competiting against big gamers this year and they just don't look as impressive to me in comparison. Don't get me wrong - I'd like to see at least one of them evicted. But I'm still not sure they are the S6ers biggest threat.

The ONLY chance the S6ers have of staying in the house is to win HoH constantly. As soon as one of them doesn't, two of them will go on the block and even with Veto you won't be able to save them all. Knowing that, why wouldn't Kaysar target people who have a proven track record of winning HoHs AND who haven't come and talked to him? Kaysar might have had bad rational, but I still think he made good nominations.

Having said all that, Nak is the person they should take out - not Diane.

My natural allegiance is always going to go for Janelle or James, because they're my two faves. But I have to admit that I could see everyone's points about how they were being too frantic, not thinking, how Janelle was betraying Kaysar, etc. But after catching up on the feed recaps, Kaysar wants Chicken George out next week? And he says this after an entire night of Will and Boogie holding centerstage talking about how much they hate Janelle and want her gone? I'm sorry, but no wonder she's starting to freak out. If I see that one of my main allies has NO interest in taking out the people who are the biggest threat to me, even not wanting ME to take them out if I get HoH next week? I'd be paranoid as hell too.

The thing about Chill Town is they aren't good at comps, but what they do well is sow dissention, raise questions, and get people emotional so that they're off their games. Logically they AREN'T impressive, but they have ways of pushing people's buttons that causes them to think of them as threatening. Since people are only human, they react to CT's childish antics and browbeating on an emotional level.

I have always hated both Will and Boogie--I never grew to enjoy Will like many others did, because I saw him teasing and picking on people far too much. He has a cruel streak a mile wide.

I'm really glad they showed him in that light on last night's show (picking on Howie to the point where someone said it was getting ugly).

I just caught up with the recaps and I now have several problems with Kaysar.

My first problem is the logic behind nominations. I don't think they were bad nominations, but he's backing them up for the wrong reasons. If he told the others he wants to get rid of people who have a track record of winning a lot of competitions and then they all vote out Nak - I think the others would buy it. But his arguements aren't very good in my opinion.

Next problem: he is ignoring his allies. His alliance is freaking out and he won't even entertain the idea of Erika using veto and putting up Mike? Kaysar needs to sure up his alliance and make them feel safe or they will splinter. That is the problem Will and Mike pose and Kaysar is not doing a good job of countering it. If he can't counter it, he does need to get them out of the house.

He's also totally unbendable. If Nak and Diane went to him, I don't know if he would consider saving both of them. Heck even if the whole house went to him and said if Erika uses the Veto and you put up Mike we promise to vote him out - I don't think he would bend. That just isn't smart. HoH may have the power, but you have to be reasonable too.

Finally I have huge issues with him trying to tell the other members of his alliance what they should do. That might work with Howie, but I don't think it will fly with Janelle and James in the long run. It's ok for Kaysar to do this week what he thinks is in his best interest but it's totally not ok for him to ask Janelle or James to keep with his plan if they think it's bad for them. First he says that if James wants to nominate someone he needs to win the HoH himself then he tells Janelle she should put up George after she has complained all night that Mike and Will are gunning for her? Way to make your friend feel like you have her back!

I want to like Kaysar, but I don't enjoy him in power. I just hope Janelle or James win the next HoH and they can go ahead and take Chilltown out.

I just caught up with the recaps, too (great job on the HOH meltdown last night, guys!), and it's Kaysar's Hubris: Round Two.

Will egotistical, self-important famewhores ever learn?

I think Kaysar could square things with his alliance if he just went along with voting Nakomis out. Or at least let them vote the way they think is best-- I've always questioned the assumption that the HoH has control of who gets voted out once their nominations are made.

But not voting Nakomis out over Diane just doesn't make sense to his alliance, unless Kaysar's agenda is different from theirs. His explanations-- that Nakomis will be grateful, that she'll go after Jase, that she has a "cowboy complex"-- just don't really wash-- especially when, in the same breath, he acknowledges what a smart, strategic player Nak is. Hence the division.

OH, and I remembered this last night, and meant to stick it in a recap-- what clicked for James thinking Kaysar might be hooked up with CT was Boogie coming up to HoH and telling them he knew that K's alliance wasn't behind not putting CT up this week. James says, how would Boogie know that, if Kaysar didn't tell them-- and he's right, Kaysar did tell them that-- when Kaysar made his "deal" with CT, and they asked him, is your team down with this? And Kaysar said, "it doesn't matter, I'm HoH" and they congratulated him for his assholishness--

James is not dumb. He's not right about where K's alliance is, but he's right that there is one (with Nakomis, as perceived by Kaysar) and he's right that CT got the scoop from Kaysar that Seasick wasn't necessarily down with his plan not to put them up.

Also, Kaysar not revealing to anyone in his alliance the conversation with Nakomis that led to his change of heart over getting rid of her-- speaks volumes to me.

I'm with both of y'all. There is no such thing as a fool-proof plan - particularly in BB where raw emotion is generally the greater force than calculatiing logic and the element of luck is strong enough that anyone at anytime could end up winning an HOH. That said, Kaysar's plan isn't "the worst move in bb history" (TM 2005, James). I think the so-called problems with the plan were really problems with fellow alliance members and concerns about trying to make their personal positions perfectly safe instead of appreciating how Kaysar's plan tries to give everyone in the alliance some cover:

James didn't like he plan because, by definition, any plan James doesn't devise or is involved in devising is "bad", he can't stop thinking of alliances - either growing his own or the threat from another, and when he did find out about Kaysar's plan it was relayed to him by idiots (howie and janelle) who didn't know how to explain Kaysar's plan. There is something else there too - maybe I'm reading too much into things, but it did strike me as strange that the night James in on the warpath about Kaysar being out for himself and cutting deals was the same night Douchebag and Casper go on a rampage. Like I said, I'm probably reading too much into the the coincidence of timing but......

Janey didn't like the plan, at first, because she didn't want to vote out Nakomis. Kaysar sold her and she was cool with the plan. Then she feels/gets picked on a little by Casper and Boogie (nothing that Howie doesn't get 100 times harder for 100 times longer) and starts building up the dislike. Then she talked to James. When James told her that everybody in the house was gunning for her, that was it for Janey. "Everybody, like who Everybody?" "Everybody, Everybody". After that little exchange Janey was absolutely completely gone. James feed the fire even more by telling Janey that everything Kaysar was doing made Kayser look better to everybody in the house than the other three and took the target off of himself and onto Janey and James. Janey is scared to death of being a target - just look at how she handled Douchebag calling her a QueenBee. Somehow, she thinks only Casper and Boogie have identified her as a target and that if those two were gone - or at least one of them were gone - then no one would/could possibly be gunning for her.

The plan's fine-- it's not the best or the worst plan in BB history, but it's a decent enough plan at this stage in the game. It's the part about voting out Diane when you have a chance to get rid of Nakomis that's suspect.

That's what Kaysar wanted to do in the first place - vote out Nakomis. It was only Janey's non-stop "I really like Nakomis" speil that Kaysar even agreed to think about it. Then he talked to Nakmomis and in the meantime his alliance went into semi-mutiny mode, so he started talking about getting rid of Diane and making an alliance with Nakomis (what janey wants) or getting rid of nakomis (what james wants now that he's had 36+ hours to talk about the plan and tell everyone what's wrong with it). I think Kaysar is just getting beat down - no answer he gives to janey and james will satisfy both of them as they each perceive diferrent threats in the house. I think the original plan was the best - finish of Nakomis. I also think, though, that taking Nakomis down and putting up Jase wouldn't be bad - I just doubt that Naco Nakomis is going to happily join in the Season Six alliance and friends alliance. I wouldn't nominate casper or douchebag no matter what.

K's alliance would prefer the veto to be used to save Nakomis and put up Will or Boogie, preferably Boogie-- saving both Diane and Nakomis. But if they can't get that, they think voting out Nakomis is the best choice-- that was brought up a few times last night-- they're stuck on why save Diane over Nakomis, if the veto isn't going to be used to get CT out.

It didn't start out that way (it started out that everyone was on board with getting rid of Nakomis over Diane), but that's how it's evolved, and that's where they were coming from last night. A lot of the confusion is coming from Kaysar's change of heart about that, even aside from the CT thing.

They'd all be okay with voting out Nakomis-- that's what James is going for, and what Janelle was questioning regarding saving Diane last night.

See, that's my problem with the plan. There is no plan that will give the alliance cover. Kaysar can try and create dissension all he likes, but S6 is still going to be the target when someone else wins HoH. They just are. Now people who hate Chilltown might be motivated in so far as they might throw HoH to not have to deal with either side. But no matter how many cute maneuvers Kaysar attempts, S6 is going up on the block the second they lose HoH. So all this plan really does is provide *Kaysar* cover. And that's fine. It was smart on his part. But I don't blame James and Janelle for being pissed at 1) now being the #1 targets for the rest of the house and 2) Kaysar wanting them to still keep Chilltown safe next week.

I agree, swsa. It's impossible. MAYBE someone who gets HOH later MIGHT consider putting up Boogtard and Will, but maybe not. It's a crapshoot. At the very least, Kaysar needs to recognize the needs of his own alliance. That's what a truly good leader does. And they NEED to see CT taken down.

this is like continuing proof that no good deed goes unpunished - kaysar tries to get a plan together that will help the alliance as much as possible both near and long term but because the two people that were/are/and always will be the biggest targets in the season 6 alliance feel like they are the biggest targets, they are justified in feeling like kaysar is screwing them over because he can't come up with a plan to make it so they won't be the number one targets and he will.

If Kaysar put up casper and boogie this week - would not janey and james be the biggest targets left in the game. After Kaysar's plan, how many more targets are there in the game?

Janey, whether she likes it or not, made it to final three last season, won HOHs, won vetos and won a couple of America's choices - she's a huge target no matter what Kaysar does. James won veto after veto last year and couldn't get voted out of the game week on end despite the whole house gunning for him - he is and always will be a huge target. Everyone is annoyed by Howie but he's also a source of entertainment, and not "bad" entertainment ala casper and douchebag, and people don't take him seriously. He's not going to be the focus unless he goes into Hurricane mode. Kaysar got voted out early and voted out immediately after returning - yeah he's considered smart but he's naturally well liked and unless he acts downright nasty to someone there is nothing he can do to make himself more of a target than janey or james.

this has nothing to do with kaysar's plan - kaysar's plan didn't create house opinion.

I just need to say this - it's been bugging me big time since Marci's meltdown - It's OATMEAL, for Christ Sake! It tastes fine. And it's enhanced oatmeal. Pretty much one of the healthiest things you can eat. And you can totally sustain health and mind on it. I know this because whenever I start feeling fat, I go on an all oatmeal diet for a week or so. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. I feel good, I'm not constipated and my muscles DO NOT atrophy. I'll admit it's a little boring, but that's about it. I DO NOT end up in bed with the vapors. I mean, Dani seems to be doing just fine, a regular fireball of energy, doesn't she? They all deserve to go home for being such whiney babies.

You know, I feel much better now. Thanks!

After watching the heated HOH discussions for hours last night, I thought that Kaysar's plan was brilliant. Waking up later and reading everyones comments I also agree with the flaws pointed out.
I think Kaysar was condescending to Janey but he was that way last year too. Not clueing in the S6 on his plan complicated as it is will be his downfall or rather S6ers downfall

Did anyone else hear him talk last week about taking a strategy class, I think it was to do with war and psychological effects and he was upset that he had let it slip?


I usually just lurk, but had to post about last night, for a while I didnt think it was going to be worthwhile having the feeds this year with all the flameouts from CT shoutouts and antics. And this is the first year I have ever felt that way about the FOTH frustrating as they are.

Kaysar KNOWS that S6 is the number one target in the house. He's doing his best to try and deflect any attention that he can away from them, but to do that, he HAS to keep Tool Town in the house. The thing is, he clued his team into what he was going to do, why, and what he expected to happen. They all agreed to it. What started to happen was exactly what Kaysar predicted regarding Tool Town. And then? James panicked, like he does, and that sent Janelle and Howie off. Not because they didn't know, not because they weren't told, but because they panicked.

Having Tool Town in gives the floaters another target. Getting rid of either Booger or Dr. STFU means that Tool Town is no longer a problem, and so once again we have S6 as the only option on who the floaters will put up. Tool Town is completely playing into Kaysar's hands by pissing off EVERYone. They had Nakomis crying yesterday, Erika and Danielle both ran into the HoH to tell Kaysar that they were acting like assholes, they've pissed Marcy off. Yes, Tool Town managed to pick up Kitchen George and Jase, and probably Diane, but Kaysar knew they would probably pick up some allies at some point.

Kaysar regards Diane as a big threat - he said as much yesterday night, when Janelle, James, and Howie were pushing Nakomis to go. At this point, I'm up in the air about who should go to better S6, Nakomis or Diane. Diane is definitely a fringe-member of Chill Town at this point, but they made Nakomis cry. Nakomis, out of the two, is more likely to win competitions, but she's also more likely to vote them out over S6. I'm not saying that she WILL do that, but the odds are more favorable that she would over Diane.

Even if all it means is that Dani, Marcy, and Erika throw competitions so that they don't win, that increases immeasurably the odds that S6 will win HoH.

Yes, S6 is a target and always will be. But their only option is try and create a situation where they're seen as the lesser of 2 evils, and Tool Town is playing to that nicely. Danielle owes the S6, and has said several times she won't bite the hand that feeds her. Erika seems to be in bed with Kaysar, while Marcy and Janelle are definitely tight. That's three of the floaters who are nominally on S6's side. Saving Diane won't benefit S6, whereas saving Nakomis might (she's honest, and loyal). So really, by sending Diane off, if Kaysar can get a handshake deal with Nakomis, I'd say that S6 is in the best possible position that they can be in.

But James keeps getting paranoid, and that in turn freaks Janelle and Howie out, and that in turn pisses Kaysar off. It's actually James who is the problem with the plan, not Kaysar, the way I see it. And James is pissed off mostly because he didn't have any input, because James? Only thinks of himself first. Kaysar doesn't want to tell him stuff because James blabs it to Danielle, who in turn blabs it all over the hosue. That's James's fault, pure and simple. It's really his own making. James needs to chill the fuck out.

God, why am I so worked up over this?

Pardon the interruption, but what the hell are the VAPORS???? Gas???

Thank you for the oatmeal defense, Cristobal. I like a bowl of it before bed, myself. I was getting so fed up with them calling it nasty. Please. A scab sandwich is nasty. Oatmeal is merely boring at worst.