I just got this PM from Toni in regards to MMS (Jase, Alison, Diane and Nakomis):



This oughtta be fun...

Captain Savem, since you have a direct line, can you ask her about the secret partners rumor? Pretty please?

I'm way ahead of you Snooky...

I just wish I had put that part in there when I asked about MMS. Still waiting for a response....

I still think plain, unflavoured tofu would have been worse for them.

Any clues as to whether they'll be allowed any toppings like brown sugar, syrup, or fruit?

Tofu would have been an awesome choice, I agree. I hate the stuff, unless it's really neutralized by whatever it's cooked with (hot and sour soup, for instance). It takes on the flavor of something it's cooked in or with, but by itself? It's a tannish white flavorless blob.

Shylurker, they have a list of approved condiments. I know that garlic salt, soy sauce, syrup, brown sugar, and dill pickles are on the list. Butter is not on the list. I can't remember what else but there is a long list to choose from. Howie mixed a packet of strawberry protein shake powder in with brown sugar and ate it for lunch. It was horrible looking stuff.

Any news on how Erica's doing? are her ribs really cracked? or do the even know yet . . .

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Seems Erika's fine as she's been shown all day up and about, eating and nappin (the whole of what everyone else has been doing) and complaining every now and then (as have the other hammies).

To add my 2 cents... Even when they are "Flames" it actually reminds me more of a gyrating lower GI camera than of actual flames -although, any doctor that played that god awful loop of music would be worth his weight in malpractice insurance...

We all have our own opinions.

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I don;t know, but I'm worried about her. After speculation that we had flames but before the feeds FLAMED out this last time, I saw her walk by in the background. I would hope they would at least bind them. It sounded like Will's rough-housing during the comp is what hurt her--idiot.

alright, i was just wondering cuz i read on the recaps that she'd been hurt, and i never read that they'd said anything about her condition. Thanks for answering my question :)

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The f-idiots in the CBS chat think the noms are happening, but I don't buy it. A) generally, they really are dumb over there (little too much myspace-ing going on, ykwim?), B) noms don't take HOURS of flavia (FLaming triVIA) to accomplish. And they let us see peeks of food comp, so what the hell gives?

Looks like nominations it was, but it would appear that there was some kind of drama that went along with them. Yay! But, dang - I'm going to miss the Sunday show...

Yeah, I think they kept the feeds off to protect the fragile HGs, namely Diane. There was no reason for them to be gone so long and it certainly appears that there was drama. I think Diane cried, and Kaysar got emotional as well since I think I heard Booger say something to him like it looked good since they could tell it wasn't easy for them. Gah! New rule: if you cry when nominated, you go home immediately. Lordy, now we are going to have a week full of catering to the fragile Diane. Also find it curious that Diane assumes it is all about her and she is the one going home....hope so, but that's just me.

Janelle frustrates me by pulling the old "No, I don't believe Jase is against us" no matter how many times and how many ways it's pointed out to her. She'd better be in a super secret final 2 alliance with him. Otherwise, it's just embarrassing how snowed she is.

But then, she makes my day by lying so beautifully to Marci about Kaysar's nominations. Regarding Kaysar not nominating Chilltown: "I don't know. I think they may have cut a deal. I don't know what Kaysar did." Marci's gonna spread that "cut a deal" nugget like wildfire through the BB house.

I totally agree re: Janey/Jase...how much more proof does she need? I do hope he comes around to the S6 side though....I did not want him in the house this season, but wow, he seems so different and mature. Like a really nice guy now.

I'm so with you on that...I think it's kinda ridiculous they do it on a normal season but anyone that does it the second time they are playing the game - especially when it's a game of supposed BB all-stars - they should just be shown the door. Grow the fuck up.



I was going to bed last night and turned off the feeds only to have my wife have them up in the bedroom on her laptop - so ended up watching until 4 and heard most of the reasoning. Kaysars thought are as follows:

1. Wants to shake the game up, but not so much that he is an automatic target the next week

2. thinks if Mr. and Mrs. Smith alliance is a reality, then nominating diane and nakomis will put pressure on Jase as well as expose the Mr. and Mrs. Smith alliance

3. combined with acting like a deal was struck with, I can't believe that I'm going to actually type this ridiculous name, "chilltown" will increase the level of uncertainity in the house and make floaters or weak alliances question who they can trust. Everyone thinks/knows season 6 has an alliance but let's expose all the other alliances in the house

4. increases chances floaters will float toward season 6 since they are in power and will make it harder for floaters to float after voting with season 6 as others won't trust floaters not to be in league with season 6

5. They don't trust Diane and Nakomis and are virtually sure they would put season 6 up if they were HOH

6. putting up one chill-towner and one Mr. and Mrs. Smith would divide the house straight down the line between season 6 and everyone else

7. Think Nakomis is the strongest player with the lowest profile in the game - and therefore the most dangerous.



Well, possibly the most agreed upon lie in the game, between both sides, is that the Fab 3 and James are all one team. The fab 3 don't trust james and james doesn't trust the fab 3. They stick together out of neccesity and self-interest. The fab 3 know that james will always follow the power in the house and james knows that the idea of the season 6 alliance provides him loads of cover whenever someone who isn't season 6 gets HOH - since he's considered someone who is only partially allied with season 6.

This really works to everyone's advantage in season 6, if they can keep the paranoia down as low as possible for as long as possible. People will always approach james and share information with him that they wouldn't share with kay, janey, or howie which in turn is getting back to the other season sixers while the fab 3 always can play the "we don't trust james" card with floaters or other groups to try and get information with the idea that they may be looking to get rid of james.

yeah, it's all gonna end in betrayal but that's what has to happen in a game that only one can win and needs to stack the jury as much as possible to insure that win.



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Anybody hearing James for the second time in five minutes, telling Danielle that he wasn't let in on the nominations before they happened?S6 better shore up their relationship with James and include him more in the decisions. I think Kaysar made a mistake not telling him in HOH when he asked just hours before the nominations. Janey tried to say Kay wouldn't tell her either but it was so obviously a lie.

Yeah zgeist I caught that convo in the wee hours as well. I know his reasoning I guess I just don't agree with it. I still think it would have been better to go WB and Nak or Diane. The house is already split down the middle anyway. It is still S6 (+2?) vs the others. Now I am so thinking Diane has to go. She is going to be everyone's little basketcase this week. Ick. And unlike Marcellus, I don't care where she is living.

so, not too dissimiliar from george then is what your saying?

I'm sooo tired of all the non Season-Sixers acting like they have this huge advantage in that they've had a couple of years to rest and grow and how people who participated last summer in Big Brother don't deserve to be there this summer. It's like all you hear from Will and Jase is "They're so fresh, they haven't had any time to recover." And yet how many competitions have the Season Sixers lost? Oh yeah! NONE OF THEM!! (Food comps don't count)

I know I'm probably a lone voice at this point, but I do think that this is true. I know people love these guys, but really wasn't it just a matter of comparison when you come right down to it? Because without the friendsheep there, I'm not rooting for any of these guys except for maybe James. I do notice, however, that Will doesn't mention Kaysar in that statement. Makes you wonder.

I don't take anything that comes out of Will's mouth seriously. He seems like a decent person when he's not "playing Dr Will", and unlike some of the people in the house, he probably is a pretty nice guy in real life. It's the difference between playing a character on tv and playing up to your popularity with the public for me. In my opinion, Nak is maybe the only person who is basically being herself (maybe even Diane is). Will, Boogie, George, Danielle, Jase, James are possibly just doing their characters. Then you have Janie, Kaysar, Howie, Erika, Marcy who are too aware of internet culture and care too much about their popularity to commit entirely to either.

Will set up this scenario starting with his interview, methinks. Public opinion sways throughout the course of a season. Play evil, lie back, other people will come off as worse eventually. He's basically playing the same game second time around, but either for Boogie or charity this time, and it would be hilarious if it actually worked again.

Not to beat a dead horse, but Howie's already proven he's not funny with his Nak obsession/rants, Janelle isn't exactly a fucking angel, and James is not as smart as he thinks he is.

My dream scenario is that Will proves his point, and Nak wins. I'd take Jase in second place.

Surely I'm not the only one?

You're not alone. I loved the Sovs during their season. This time, not so much, especially Howie. I'm definitely ready for someone from the Non-S6ers to win HOH and break them up.

Kaysar needs to wake up. He needs to accept that plans sometimes need to be modified. That backdoor swings for a reason, Kays. The best thing that could happen for S6 is that one of the noms does get veto and takes themself off, freeing Kaysar from breaking his word to WB and making Kaysar nominate someone else - preferrably Booger. They will have six votes to get him out an he will go, leaving Will to hold court alone. Let's hope Kaysar gets it right this time. He is so naive to think that WB will go after "floaters" this week. Perhaps the swooning Airika will tell him about her little pool party with the others last night? To me, this is the ultimate test of Airika to this point - whether or not she is going to spill the beans about this conversation to S6.

Kaysar also needs to get over this animosity he has been showing toward James. You may not trust him completely but pissing him off is not a smart move either. Would it've killed you to let him in on who you were putting up? (Kaysar did not tell him, right? Unless it was off-feed I think. They were discussing noms with Janey a couple hours before the ceremony happened and Kaysar was non-committal, mentioning Nak only.) Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it - maybe Kays missed that day in his strategy class.

Pretty much! Good one. This from the feeds:

What strategy has Nak plotted so far this year? They really think she's the "most dangerous"?!? I call bullshit. Kaysar -- though I loved him last year -- is a big huge chickenshit this year. He's terrified of pissing off other players and causing an us vs. them house situation. So who does he go after? The odd man out. But not the oddest (Chicken George), he targets the one that people can possibly believe might be considered a strong player. Nak may be self-deluded about the brilliance of her six-finger plan, but she's right in that her reputation is going to be her downfall.

Still, while I think the move of nominating Diane and Nak isn't too brave, it's probably smart. Booger called it brilliant and from the guys' hot tub convo last night, it sounds like they were ready to make the house erupt into conflict if one of them went on the block.

I agree, I will like the S6 better once one or two of them are gone, and we can really mix things up. Otherwise we're just getting a retread. That's why I was disappointed we didn't have another week of dual HOHing. I liked that twist a lot. It made the hamsters think around their pre-existing alliances.

Will is right (ITA, too, kayleigh) but he's hardly the first to predict that the S6 wouldn't come off so shiny and sparkly this year without a strong enemy to play against. A lot of us did.

ETA: Good post, FoolMoon. ITA completely. It'll be interesting to see if Erika comes and tells them everythingor anything of what she heard.

The only S6er I didn't think I would like a second time around was Howie and he does still grate. But I'm still cheering for James, Janelle and Kaysar. I know they are going to lose power at some point, but for now, I'm enjoying their reign.

I have to say I'm not sure Kaysar made a bad choice in his decisions. The whole house is gunning for S6 but how many of them will fight for HoH? Will and Mike are still the big target for the next S6er who wins HoH. So will the rest of the house go for it? Will Erika or Marci go for HoH or continue to float? Heck would even Dani or George want HoH at this point? For all his talk, will Jase even go for it if he thinks he can dodge the bullet one more week?

I'm not even sure Will or Mike will try for HoH if they think they can bargain their way out of nominations another week - Kaysar didn't go for them, maybe they don't think Howie would either.

The way I see it is if Veto doesn't get used - whoever stays between Nak and Diane will be the only person in the house who REALLY competes for HoH against James, Janelle and Howie. And really it's not about how many people you are competing against - it's about how many people are TRYING to win HoH. Kaysar may have tipped the scales heavily in their favor by not going after Will and Mike this week.

Adding, too, that I also think Kaysar made this move not because it was best for S6, but best for himself. He let it be known to WB that He, Kaysar, made the decision to not put them up, even though Janey and Howie didn't necessarily agree (even though it was Janey's plan.) He got his ego stroked last night by Will when he called his move brilliant and said that it makes the other people in S6 more desireable targets. I doubt Kays shared this little interaction with Janey and Howie.

I agree with FoolMoon that Kaysar's playing more of his own game and not a team game this time around. In the past couple of days he's said: If Marci wants Danielle gone, he needs to win HOH and put her up...if James wants Jase gone, he needs to win HOH and put him up. I agree. Kaysar doesn't have to make the big moves and put the biggest target for his group on his own head, so why should he? Less than 24 hours before the nominations, his whole group (including James) wanted Nakomis gone. That's the plan. Kaysar's maybe giving himself some insulation by sticking to the plan. Meanwhile, Janelle has Marci thinking that he has some kind of final 2 deal with him (possibly a final 3 with him and Erika), and James is working the whole house, including Dani. They all have a plan B for themselves as individuals, except maybe Howie and, well, he's Howie.

ETA: The only thing I think Kaysar's missing out on is maybe socializing a little more with James and making him feel more secure. James is an emotional player who thinks he's a strategic player and that can be dangerous if he feels too slighted or hung out to dry.

I pretty much agree with a lot of what's been said - not everything, but a lot.

First off, I agree with Kay's nominations. Diane and Nakomis are obviously together, and they have the potential to pick up floaters, because they've both shown their strong players in their season. Nak won HoH 3 times, and came up with the 6 finger plan. Diane has shown that she can work people (and that she can be worked). So maybe they aren't as big of threats as Booger and Will, but they are players, make no mistake, and by not going after the big names, Kay dropped himself down on the list of Season 6ers.

I also think he does have a valid point with getting pissy about James. All four of the Jedi agreed that Nakomis was a big threat, and Kay's reasons for putting her up and wanting her out are sound. Everyday, though, James, Janelle, and to a lesser extent Howie come up with a new plan on who should go instead of Nak, and I think Kay worries that all this unfocused energy is going to hurt his team in the long run. He wants them to stay focused on their goal, which right now is getting Nak out.

Having said that, he needs to include James more than he does. Yesterday he was pissed off and snarking on James, but he needs to realize that he needs James, and the best way to keep him around is to fill him in on what's going on. Of course, I understand his reluctance, since James has been blabbing a lot all over town - but James also reports everything back to Kay, Janey, and Howie. Hopefully Kay will calm down a bit and realize he needs James.

See, I think they would LOVE to win HOH, because for them it's not about the strategy or the money or winning, it's about getting the most possible TV time. Only if you're HOH or the veto holder are you guaranteed plenty of air time, and the HOH get a personal live interview with Julie, too.

I agree, this season is more interesting, strategically, because while everyone makes a show of being on a team, I think everyone's in it for themselves. I think Janelle is truly the only one Kaysar has 100% loyalty towards. If Kaysar is truly expecting Will and Boogie to avoid nominating him, he's stupid. At the same time, though, it is a calculated risk, simply because Will throws challenges to avoid having to take the heat. Perhaps he would fight to win a veto competition to save his own neck, but he doesn't want HOH. Boogie, similarly, is not a huge challenge threat... he won one HOH that was a popularity contest he had no control over. He is not an athlete. Nakomis, on the other hand, won HOH 3 times and, if memory serves, one or two vetos. Diane won a tough endurance competition. Jase is probably one of the best athletes in the house.

I think I'm actually pulling for S6 more than I was last year. For some reason, the shit talking is affecting me more now. As far as the Nerd Herd went last year, at least it felt like the S6 was dishing it out as well. But this year, they have seriously been all game. Janelle's tried bonding with Nakomis, she's been totally sweet to Jase, she's spent time with Boogie, teaching him how to play chess, talking music...so to see those guys being so seriously offensive about her, it's much harder for me to watch. I actually felt nauseous last night. So I'm all for S6 dominating at least temporarily and getting Boogie, Jase, Nakomis, and Diane out of there.

I still love Dr. Will though, just because he at least still seems to get that this is a game, and there's no reason to get overly personal about wanting to kick someone's ass. So I'm hoping to get to see him play solo and see just who he'd gravitate towards.

See I can't figure out if Will is full of shit or if he really doesn't care if he wins. If he does want to win, I can see him blowing competition after competition (and only going for Veto to save his ass if he needs to). I have no idea if Mike can win comps or not.

I honestly don't think there will be that many people trying to win the next HoH.

Yeah, I don't know about Will. I think he just wants publicity, from how he acts. I don't think he'll try to win HOH, either, though, as that's not his MO. But Booger will -- try, that is. Maybe not succeed. I'd like to see someone like Erika win it and nominate two strong people then "let the house decide." People seem to forget that after noms the HOH really has little power unless the veto is used.

I think the answer to that question is really simple and there's no hidden agenda. If he gets close to winning, then he'll care. But if he gets voted out early, then he doesn't care.

Some of the other hamsters - like Boogie, Dani, and Diane - all really want to play. Boogie feels like he didn't get a chance to really play his season because he left so early and he just knows he's a contender if given a chance. And Dani and Diane both want to fix the fatal flaw in their game last time, and finally win. If I had to guess, I'd bet Diane wants to win more than anyone else in that house - she definitely seems the most driven.

The season six hamsters and Nakomis all just seem to enjoy the game - none of them seem too concerned about winning, they just like to play.

And then there's Will. I think it's against his religion to get too worked up about anything - especially not winning a reality show. I mean, hey it's diversion and it's fun - but get worked up over it? No way. On the other hand, if he's close to winning and all he has to do is convince Monica to put up Nicole and Hardy, then why not go for it? And yeah, I know I'm talking about the wrong season, but is it really any different this summer? He's playing the same game so far - the "I'm no threat because I'm getting voted out next" plan. I love that game - and I hope this bunch of hamsters continue to fall for it just like they did in season two!

Is there anyone else this year that are starting to hate the bb6'ers? IT seems that now they are the cunning evil ones now. They are mean this year, especially Howie.

I'm actually cheering for the other people other than Howie, Kaysar, and James. Janelle is still OK in my books but she's different than last year.

You gotta love Marcellus.

Right now he's in the room with Diane trying to explain to her how to get herself votes without campaigning (of course, he already knows Nakomis is the target), and she's going to be ever so grateful and if and when she wins a HOH, Dani will be a target. Marcellus just told Diane that he's going to tell Janie that Diane is not gunning for the S6 team and he (Marci) wants Diane to work herself in with Boogie and the boys.

Hehe..he's actually playing it quite smart.

S6 needs to wake the hell up and start working Diane and Nakomis, even though they want Nak gone. They need to feel these people out and try to extract any info they can because people are more likely to say a little too much when their BB life is on the line. They may have already lost this edge with Diane since she is feeling pretty good after talking with Marcy and Will. They need to try to reel in whoever is left in the house, even if it doesn't work at least they tried. Stop doing nothing people! They have to make sure whoever stays feels indebted to *them* not WB. Gah! They are again missing a golden opportunity.

That's a good way of putting it. I do believe all his protestations about wanting to leave before sequester and that he doesn't care are all to CYA in case he gets kicked out in the first couple of weeks. I want to see him stay in until the first week of sequestered Hammies. He'd just love that!

One thing that bugs me about this show is how so often people decide who to kick out based on what the HOH wants to happen. The HOH has no vote! Just sayin'. Kaysar seems to think he put Di and Nak on the Mak with the intention that Nak goes. But he's not casting any of the votes to keep Diane. It's not even up to him, except as others let him influence them.

and this is how an alliance ends, not with a bang but with whispered self-centered strategy in the bug room.

Are we SURE that putting up Nak and Booger wouldn't have been a better move??

I'm not..up until about an hour ago I thought the nomination was a great nomination until james, janey and howie started complaining...james doesn't like that he was ought of the loop and doesn't like the nominations because he doesn't really understand what kaysar was trying to do...janey doesn't like the nomination because she has this nakomis thing...howie is the only true one, and maybe I'm betraying some sort of default in intelligence, who likes the nominations and understands what kaysar is doing...

in some ways, I feel like james doesn't like the noms and kaysars actions because he perceives that kaysar is getting an advantage above the other three season sixers somehow. james also doesn't like the nomination because he wasn't part of the nomination. Finally, james doesn't like the nomination because he thinks the chilltown deal is a real deal and not just a way to create tension between chill town and others in the house.

janey doesn't like the deal because she's losing a potential partner in nakomis, is constantly scared of her position and doesn't see the advantage in the current nominations, and is more scared of chilltown than she probably ought to be.

what I think they are all deluded about is that season six isn't THE target of everyone else. There is no one in the house that isn't jealous of season six and their popularity. Any one else in the house would go against season six if the wind is blowing that way.

I still agree with kaysar that putting up naco nakomis and booger would have united the whole house against season six above an beyone than is already the case...also you have to think who would win an HOH in the future - nakomis is much stronger on mind challanges than anyone else in the game other than season sixers

I think it just depends on which angle you look at it from. Diane/Nak? Good noms in that it leaves Janelle/James as the #1 targets, and buys Kaysar a week when a non-Sov wins HoH. Switching everything up now and double-crossing Will/Boogie? Good in that it would guarantee Kaysar's nomination if Chilltown ever manages to win HoH, thereby saving Janelle/James. Just depends on whose side you're on.

The only fear I have is that if Kaysar does do it (which I don't think he will), he could manage to spin it to Nak/Diane as him being the one that's single-handedly saving them, which would still hang Janelle out to dry if either of them ever get HoH. Because the one sure thing in this whole mess? NO ONE is going to honor any deals they make with S6 right now. Either Chilltown or Nak/Diane will go back on their word in a second. Which is why in the end, it probably would just be smartest to get Nak out as the biggest HoH threat.

I feel for Kaysar. He should play the game in his favor - they all should. But let's be honest - unless the S6ers can totally dominate - one of them will have to go for the others to be safer. Kaysar just doesn't want that to be him. I still think the noms were decent. If James is right, Will and Mike throw HoH - that's not a bad deal. The more who try to throw it - the better your odds are for winning.

See, that's what I don't get...how does it buy Kaysar a week? To me, it makes him the #1 target!!

Nominating Diane/Nak and making Will/Boogie think he cut a deal with them saves Kaysar a week in that if Will/Boogie win HoH, yeah, they're not gonna keep their word to go after floaters, but they'll probably honor the deal to the extent that they won't nominate Kaysar. He made soft noms in order to stay in Chilltown's good graces, should they ever actually win HoH. He also made Chilltown believe that it was only him who saved them. He basically told them straight up that Janelle, Howie, and James wanted them nominated. So who does he think they're gonna go after first? Probably not him.

I'm not convinced that Will and Boogie won't nominate Kaysar...they're the two biggest liars in the place!! But, I pray you're right!!!

James and Janelle are fairly pissed at Kaysar for not making a big move that takes the target off their back and puts it on his own, huh? They keep telling each other it's because he's "scared." How about just admit that you're pissed that he's playing the game for himself and not them? I don't think any alliance owes each other a thing except voting together when it matters, not nominating each other, and maybe not lying to each other outright.

I agree, but by that same token I don't think Janelle and James owe it to Kaysar to not attempt something that benefits them more. They've got the right to cover their own asses just like Kaysar does.

I agree that they should attempt whatever will help them. But their sniping that he's scared and trying to make them look bad and whatever is annoying. He's playing the game. I'll blame it on the slop, I guess.

Reading this in the recap thread made me very, very happy. I think Nak WILL stay loyal if S6 adopts her. It's not like she has some big power base to draw from. She'd need their protection. I'm glad Kaysar has decided to get out Diane instead, and I'll be even more happy if they convince Erika to remove Nak from the block altogether.

They just need to talk to Erika--Kaysar doesn't have to give his permission for her to use a veto she won. It's hers to use or not use. I get tired of that idea that the HOH has supreme power that week. It's also a fact that Kaysar doesn't even have a vote, so if James, Howie, and Janey decide to keep in a particular person and rally votes, that's up to them. Kaysar just has to be alerted so he can come up with another nominee. Of course, it helps if they all decide together, but Kaysar has been making calls without James at least, so I don't blame him for feeling left out.

Strategy aside, I gotta say I loved the session tonight in the bug room with S6...then their time in the kitchen afterwards too...yeah, ok, so I'm rooting for these people....good times baby, good times....