Survivor 22 - Redemption Island

[Shannon]

At least Phillip thinks that Rob is going to take him because Rob thinks he can win against him, and Phillip thinks he can talk circles around Rob and get the money. But Natalie? Is she just hoping for another round of Russell where some girl wins for showing up? Who would vote for Natalie? I'll be shocked if she gets more than one vote. So why is Natalie so psyched that Rob is going to take her to the end? Is there a third place prize?

 

Yes, Rob has a social game that poor Russell can't even comprehend, but he doesn't have to use it, he just shows up to eat and listen to them all fawn over him. It's not as bad as Cappy but it's bad.

[zgeist_returns]

Not a Rob fan at all but I have to agree with the consensus that he "deserves" the win. Well, I'll make the one exception for Grant if he is able to come back from Redemption and make it to final three. Grant won plenty of comps and would be the only other person to have a legitimate claim to winning.

 

I have no idea what Natalie is thinking other than hoping just being in the final three somehow makes her a suitable choice. If she is basing her strategy off of Survivor 19's Natalie she's missing the point. That only works if the guy your going against is universally hated by the rest of the cast. Everyone seems to like Rob - or at least not hate him in the same way they hated Russell.

 

I still say if anyone makes it from Redemption Island into the final three, they have a tremendous advantage in the jury vote.

 

I wonder if Rob's decision to knock off Grant instead of Natalie was a bad choice. He has to be worried about the idea of the two girls teaming together with the Redemption Island person to knock him out. That idea would drive me crazy - much more crazy than having to go up against Grant at jury. Hell, if Philip could drop the crazy act for 30 minutes and communicate like a human with the two girls, they could all pull off a major move.

 

I'd like to hear something from Probst about the Secret Immunity Idols and how Redemption Island is going to conclude. I still feel at some point I'm going to be claiming shenanigans at how it all works out - but I'm inclined toward the conspiracy theory of Reality TV as it is.

[HT Mike]

Who would vote for Natalie? I'll be shocked if she gets more than one vote. So why is Natalie so psyched that Rob is going to take her to the end? Is there a third place prize?

It's not publicized very much, but, I believe that everyone gets some money. In past seasons, third place was worth $85,000. I recall that Rob got $250,000 for his second place finish in All Stars. That was more than the usual $100,000.

 

For you trivia buffs: If Rob makes it to Day 37 (two more days), he will have the record of most days playing the game (115-117 days), breaking Parvati's record of 114 days. Of course, Rob is the only person that has played four times and has had the most opportunities to win.

[ff174]

I think that Rob feels that Grant would be his only competition in any final 3. He would have the best argument why the jury should not vote for Rob: he won the most challenges.

 

I think that Rob has been aiming for Natalie and Phillip to be next to him in the finals. Natalie has nothing that I can see that would garner her any votes. And Phillip? Well, besides being crazy, he has pretty much pissed off everyone at camp.

 

So, let's play this thing out. I think that the winner of this week's RI challenge gets back into the game. That leaves us with five contestants. The only remaining Omelet is Mike, and, if he does not win immunity, he is gonzo; he has too many friends on the jury. If Matt, Andrea or Grant end up winning, then Rob has to convince at least two other tribe members to send them to loser lodge.

 

This is where I think Rob has a problem. I am not of the belief that Rob's tribe are so stupid that they will allow him to waltz to any final tribal council. Some combination of Ashley/Phillip/Natalie and the returning RI contestant will team up to get Rob out of the game. They have to. They can't reason that they will get rid of him at the final 4, because Rob is pretty good at challenges. That being said, if they don't try to oust him, I will eat crow, and proclaim them the stupidest people to have every played any reality game ever.

 

EVER!

 

So, I am assuming that Rob can still play the idol. If Grant gets immunity, Rob will try to dump Ashley. If Ashley or any other tribe member win immunity, see ya' Grant.

 

In the final 4, if Rob does not win immunity, I suspect that everyone will try to get rid of Rob, once again. If he does win, he will try to get anyone out who is not Natalie or Phillip.

 

Which means that we could very well end up with a final 3 of Natalie, Phillip and Ashley.

 

The end.

Edited May 15, 2011 by ff174

[chrysana]

Which means that we could very well end up with a final 3 of Natalie, Phillip and Ashley.

I think I'd rather see Rob win than Natalie, Phillip or Ashley. If Rob was to get knocked out now, and the RI person was also knocked out again, the jury would be stuck with a "which is the best out of the loser vote" and I HATE those. At least Rob could argue he ran his tribe, and won challenges. Grant could also boast winning challenges. Mike would win as he's the only Omelet (TM ff) left, and Matt could say he's won all sorts of challenges to stay on RI. I'm not sure what Natalie, Phillip, and Ashley could claim as a reason to win the game.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about the RI twist. Once you're voted out, shouldn't you stay out? I like that the game of Survivor changes and evolves (immunity idols, tribal mix-ups, two at the final tribal, three at the final tribal) it keeps the game from being too predictable. But, I'm just not sure about RI. I would like to see Mike take it, just to stir up the pot. He'd be sure to get the money from the jury. He'd have to win immunity challenges to the end to do it; but, it would throw a wrench in Rob's game. Really the only hurdle Rob has had to deal with this season.

[Shannon]

So, if Rob doesn't get this win handed to him, will they bring him back at some point for a 5th time? I really think if you get 4 chances, that the powers-that-be are trying hard to give you the win. Maybe because I'm not a Rob fan, but it seems sad to me. I thought Russell was robbed the first time and kind of the second time but having him there the third time, even I couldn't keep up any Russell enthusiasm. The same with Rupert, although he won and was good TV the first time around, but other than a once in awhile all-star show, bringing them back over and over is a bore and unfair to the regular contestants. With Rob, I call total BS from the show.

 

Can you imagine if BB had the same person on 4 times? At least when it's all-stars, they are on fairly equal footing, but putting in a ringer with newbies just sucks. And with Rob, it's not even a contest, it's just Rob the idol and his minnows. Plus his wife already won, geese, does his uncle work at CBS?

 

I would love to see Mike come back and give Rob a real run, even if Rob won, at least he'd have to play for a bit. And Matt, gosh the kid has been working hard to stay in the game, he deserves a win more than many of them, even though his own stupidity got him back on the island. Rob walking in and siting around waiting for a win, is worse to me than when Dr. Will hand held he-who-shall-not-be-named through a win on BB. It's not just bad TV, it's totally boring. But even then, it was all stars playing, not Dr. Will shooting fish in a barrel, which to me, is what Rob is doing.

[nixiechick]

At this point, I want to see Matt win. That kid has "survived" more than the others. He got voted off the first time for being polite and the second time for being dumb. He's kicked ass at all the challenges thrown at him on RI. Meanwhile the rest of them still in the game have done basically nothing but lounge around and be delusional. I can't even give props to Rob's social game cuz, really, he didn't even have to play one. He just showed up and everyone kissed his ass. It's not so much a stunning social game on his part as it is an incredible lack of game by the entire rest of his tribe.

 

Natalie does have a chance at winning if she makes it to the end with Rob and Philip. She is in the perfect position to say that she wasn't responsible for any decisions about who to vote off, it was all Rob making that decision and he just told the rest of them what to do. And since her tribe was all built of idiots and they did the same thing, she could get some votes that way and from the old Omelet's since they were smart enough to at least try to play against Rob. I can't see anyone giving Philip a vote, no matter what he says. He's been too abrasive and nuts to try to pull a last minute miracle.

[angelmi]

I am so Happy!!! Love the winner!!

[PhilG]

I wonder which two they're bringing back next season?

[Guest kenyabirdy]

Good to see Russel is still bitter. Some things never change.

[Shannon]

I've figured out what Hell would be, to be on an island with Russell, Phillip, and Natalie. Anyway, when Rob used the idol (as if there was ever any wonder that he would) and then won immunity, it was all over. He had Phillip and Natalie hand picked all along as one too wimpy to get a vote, even a pity vote, and one so annoying that he'd never get a vote. So to go along with Rob just waiting for the end while his bots did his bidding, he took a slow walk to the money and that was the end of the most boring season of Survivor I've seen so far. The only excitement was Matty on the island, and what a sad loss at the very end and could Andera or Ashley pull off and end game. But no, just Rob and his couldn't-win-if-they-were-selling-votes.

 

Who voted for Phillip? Julie, Steve or Ralph? Phillip should always wear jeans or a suit, he looks like a totally different man...until he opens his mouth. And that woman who claimed he was a special agent, I still don't buy it, he pulled out nothing to win in the end either, just as crazy as he was all game. He still thinks Rob took him to the end out of respect!, he doesn't get that he couldn't win, that's why he was taken to the end.

 

Matty deserved to win that 100,000, that sucked that Rob won that too. But when it was Rob, Natalie and Phillip, it had to be Rob for the win. There wasn't any other choice at that point.

[PhilG]

Ralph voted for Phillip--aside from the fact that they actually showed his vote, the spelling "phile" was a dead giveaway.

[michal]

I don't understand why, after the booted members automatically got to be part of the jury, did nobody on RI get to go to Tribal Council? For many of them, the first tribal council they were at as jury members was during the final vote. Matt only went twice, and got booted both times. Didn't they miss a lot of discussion?

 

I agree Rob was the best choice for winner, but only because the other two were SO undeserving. Phillip, even if you believe he was playing a part, is really annoying. He was even annoying at the finale. During the jury vote you'd have thought he's at least try to be nice - WHY would you purposely try to tick people off who were voting to give you a lot of money? Where was his speech? You know, the one to give him the win over Rob? Natalie would have won if they were competing for best coat-tail rider. Her speech annoyed me - "I made it to the end by doing whatever Rob said and if I won I'd be the youngest female to ever win". Really? THAT was her argument?

 

Not sure how I feel about RI continuing - IF there are a lot of tweaks it could be great. But it needs to end at the merge or when they start entering the jury. It drug out too long. Snuff the torch as they leave RI, burn the buff when they get voted out. Keep RI a secret - don't let people go watch. Let them worry & wonder about who's coming back - there can never be enough paranoia!

[pocketrebellion]

I'm not sure how I feel about RI make a return, not to mention bringing back two more former losers. I agree with not letting people go watch it. I had thought constant paranoia on who was coming back was half the idea of RI. They all always seem to imagine the idea of those certain people picking and choosing what information they share to play out far better than it actually does. In reality those people are declaring to the cameras that they're not sharing anything when the very next minute they're pulling aside whoever will listen to tell them.

 

On a side note I almost felt bad for Matt when his vase dropped in that final duel. That is until my sister spoke up asking "Oh wow did he just get blind sided by God?" Then I kind of found it hilarious.

[PhilG]

I don't understand why, after the booted members automatically got to be part of the jury, did nobody on RI get to go to Tribal Council? For many of them, the first tribal council they were at as jury members was during the final vote. Matt only went twice, and got booted both times. Didn't they miss a lot of discussion?

 

Not sure what you mean...after the last RI challenge, Andrea rejoined the game and the other 3 joined the jury. They were all there for the 5-person TC when Andrea was voted out, and the 4 person one when Ashley was booted. The only one whose first TC was the jury vote was Ashley, which is always the case for the last person voted out.